What do you mean? I don't accept those things either.Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Also, I mis-wrote. I meant the new testament, not gospels. There don't seem to be any references in the gospels to homosexuality.
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What do you mean? I don't accept those things either.
Also, I mis-wrote. I meant the new testament, not gospels. There don't seem to be any references in the gospels to homosexuality.
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yes he means that you dont accept that either :P
although i dont see why its funny that adultery is on there because most people dont accept it (when happening to themselves anyway XD)
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Within the law, yes. The pulpit is another matter entierly. Plenty of God fearing Christians get divorces and cheat. Not that I judge them, to err is human of course. But to claim to that we need to adhere to Gods moral code within our laws does not mean you can pick and choose which of those laws you wish to apply to the civil code. Being gay is a minority lifestyle and it is much eaiser to claim moral high ground, applying Gods law, when the group is small.
PVC and TuffStuff are not the bulk of people pushing against this, and in my view should be pushing harder for tougher laws against divorce and audultery as the two things are certainly more damging and pervelant to the traditional family
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You cant see the difference between celebrating a vice and removing laws that punish it.? Im not pushing for those things to be illegal, but i would push hard against them being grounds for special recognition in law. Recognizing that vice exists and that people have the free will to decide to engage in it if different than giving someone thousands of dollars in tax breaks and a special status for it. For the lateryou require my complicity, for htfor the formeryou just a excercise your rights. Im trying to find a middle ground that both preserves the rights of individuals to live there lives by making the choices theyd like without draggingme down with them
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"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
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Do you think homosexuality is a choice?
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I joined late: But could someone explain to me why the easiest solution isn't:
A) A contract open to any-ones who love each other and want to spend their lives together, signed by both partners.
B) If someone after that want to go to church and have the marriage blessed by god - They are free to do so if the church approve.
Can anyone, Christians as well as atheists, say this isn't a workable solution? And if so, what is this whole thing all about?
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part of the problem is one party wants to deny the contract the name of Marriage (which despite claims to the opposite isn't a religious institution) - this is how it was originally installed in the UK
a Straight Couple get Married (even if they don't do so "before god" and don't get married by a priest) - Gay couples have Civil Partnerships
the difference is in name only - they both get the same rights in the eyes of the law
the problem is if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it IS a duck - the Civil Partnership should be called a Marriage because basically that's what it is...
recent legalisation will soon be fixing that and changing it so both Straight and Gay couples can get Married
this is the perfect solution - both Gay and Straight couples can get Married and the Religious overtures are left entirely up to the couple - if they want the marriage "in the eyes of god" they simple make their vows in front of a priest in a church
Last edited by Sir Moody; 05-15-2012 at 12:23.
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I'll give you to problems.
A) If two people can get married regardless of gender, what about 3, 4, 8 or 20? What is the practical reason not to allow this? I can't see one, but many people who support Gay marriage pour scorn upon other living arrangements - no matter how enduring.
B) The whole "Churches won't have to" won't fly - the ECHR has already ruled that if the UK passes a "same sex marriage" law religious institutions will be guilty of discrimination if they refuse to perfom such services, but not if they refuse to perfomr "Civil Partnerships".
Unless it's a goose, which walks like a duck but honks slightly differently.
Civil Partnerships do actually have a few different legal paramaters:
http://www.spainwilliams.com/family/...ersh.html#more
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governme...iage/DG_193751
Not the same - just very similar.
They are different because the practicalities are different, slapping a "marriage" label on the tin won't change that any more than calling rain hail will freeze it.
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I am not sure. It seems to be a choice and life outlook from my perspective, but I've read some things that could also make it sound genetically or hormonally determined. Do I think that it is a choice? Yes, but not in the same way that picking favorite number is or sports team is, I beleive that it is a culmination of many choices and pre-dispositions that you may have or have had throughout your life, consciously and subconsciously. I view it very similarly to tastes, interests, religious preference or political philosophies. I've seen interests become hobbies and hobbies become obsessions and I think that what you believe and the things that you do become you over time.
I am agnostic on the subject. I don't pretend to know one way or the other, but I will call people out who say that it is settled science.
Last edited by ICantSpellDawg; 05-15-2012 at 03:59.
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