The Elephant in the room.

[Fragony]

That means nothing. You never take back anything, yet you are wrong all the time.

Can't just decide I am wrong, I would have to say something that isn't true to be wrong. This is the first time you heard about the Euro Stability System by the way isn't it

[Kralizec]

No it's not, I've heard and read about it in quality media

For those in this thread that minimizes or otherwise deflects the issue of immigrants raping children, ponder on this.

A childs life was ruined. Never to be the same again. I have personal experience of this. It never goes away and causes emotional and psychological problems that manifest long after the event. This isn't some academic exercise in a third rate debating society. It's reality.

Hang your heads in shame.

Maybe I've missed a post or two, but I don't recall that anyone here said that child rape isn't bad or anything of the sort. That's not the issue that people are disagreeing with you about.

How about you hang your head in shame for making such a low accusation?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

No it's not, I've heard and read about it in quality media




Maybe I've missed a post or two, but I don't recall that anyone here said that child rape isn't bad or anything of the sort. That's not the issue that people are disagreeing with you about.

How about you hang your head in shame for making such a low accusation?

This is an issue of immigration because the perpertrators all all immigrants - without our current immigration policies these men would not be here, or would have been forcefully integrated.

The point is - you have unintegrated immigrants in the UK and these immigrants are targeting the native white girls as "other" and basically less than human.

In that context, HoreTore's handwringing alternating with denial looks pretty pathetic.

Nobody's claiming we don't have native perverts - but we have managed to import this particular kind of pervert from outside.

[HoreTore]

If you can find a way to keep only the "bad" immigrants out, while letting all the "good" ones in, I'll be your campaign manager, believe me.

As such a thing seems impossible, however, I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to keep the many responsible for the actions of the few.

As an illustration of how ridiculous IA's emotional appeal is, consider the alternative version. Find a happy family, preferably with half a dozen children, where one parents is a native and the other an immigrant. Take a picture of the children with eyes like only innocent children can have, and add a text underneath that goes something along the lines of this:

"If you restrict immigration, my mommy and poppy would never have found love and happiness. I would not exist. Why, Mr. right-winger, don't you want children like me to be born and live a happy life?"

In short, a really, really low cheap shot.

[Fragony]

Before or after I kick him in the face, we owe the world nothing

[InsaneApache]

If you can find a way to keep only the "bad" immigrants out, while letting all the "good" ones in, I'll be your campaign manager, believe me.

As such a thing seems impossible, however, I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to keep the many responsible for the actions of the few.

As an illustration of how ridiculous IA's emotional appeal is, consider the alternative version. Find a happy family, preferably with half a dozen children, where one parents is a native and the other an immigrant. Take a picture of the children with eyes like only innocent children can have, and add a text underneath that goes something along the lines of this:

"If you restrict immigration, my mommy and poppy would never have found love and happiness. I would not exist. Why, Mr. right-winger, don't you want children like me to be born and live a happy life?"

In short, a really, really low cheap shot.

The point is that these immigrants were not investigated properly for fear of committing offence. THAT is a direct result of left driven political correctness. If the police hadn't been kowtowed they would have done their job properly regardless of skin colour and creed.

Still find it ridiculous?

[HoreTore]

The point is that these immigrants were not investigated properly for fear of committing offence. THAT is a direct result of left driven political correctness. If the police hadn't been kowtowed they would have done their job properly regardless of skin colour and creed.

Still find it ridiculous?

The point is that that particular accusation is a paranoid delusion without basis in reality.

The fact is that the police caught them, they were convicted and they were given a harsher sentence because of the culture you claim the police are forced to protect.

[InsaneApache]

The point is that that particular accusation is a paranoid delusion without basis in reality.

The fact is that the police caught them, they were convicted and they were given a harsher sentence because of the culture you claim the police are forced to protect.

Nope. Reality.

There have been reports of this sort of behaviour for years. Nothing was done about it and it was swept under the carpet. A Labour MP raised concerns about the lack of action five years or more ago in the House of Commons. There was a police investigation in Leeds earlier in the last decade that was quietly dropped.

Reality? Are you sure what it is?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

If you can find a way to keep only the "bad" immigrants out, while letting all the "good" ones in, I'll be your campaign manager, believe me.

As such a thing seems impossible, however, I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to keep the many responsible for the actions of the few.

As an illustration of how ridiculous IA's emotional appeal is, consider the alternative version. Find a happy family, preferably with half a dozen children, where one parents is a native and the other an immigrant. Take a picture of the children with eyes like only innocent children can have, and add a text underneath that goes something along the lines of this:

"If you restrict immigration, my mommy and poppy would never have found love and happiness. I would not exist. Why, Mr. right-winger, don't you want children like me to be born and live a happy life?"

In short, a really, really low cheap shot.

This isn't about keeping people out, it's about what we do with them when they get here - and the side issue of whether they should be allowed to stay.

These men saw a fundamental difference between white girls and girls of their own ethnic/religious group. Worse, the group they single out is the native one which implies something about the way they see the rest of us.

This is a problem of lack of integration - while the white majority is encouraged to see everyone without regard to race or creed the minority groups coming in look down on our children because they are white.

These immigrants are inherrently racist - and I doubt the perverts are the only ones, just the most exploitative.

That is the problem.

Having said all that, we could restrict immigration based on economic circumstances - if your country's economy is in the toilet and you are coming over here to be a waiter, no dice, we don't need to import kitchen staff. On the other hand, if you're coming over to be a software engineer or a surgeon, or a chemist - please, feel welcome.

[HoreTore]

This isn't about keeping people out, it's about what we do with them when they get here - and the side issue of whether they should be allowed to stay.

These men saw a fundamental difference between white girls and girls of their own ethnic/religious group. Worse, the group they single out is the native one which implies something about the way they see the rest of us.

This is a problem of lack of integration - while the white majority is encouraged to see everyone without regard to race or creed the minority groups coming in look down on our children because they are white.

These immigrants are inherrently racist - and I doubt the perverts are the only ones, just the most exploitative.

That is the problem.

Having said all that, we could restrict immigration based on economic circumstances - if your country's economy is in the toilet and you are coming over here to be a waiter, no dice, we don't need to import kitchen staff. On the other hand, if you're coming over to be a software engineer or a surgeon, or a chemist - please, feel welcome.

That's your stance, one I haven't been arguing against.

[HoreTore]

Can't just decide I am wrong, I would have to say something that isn't true to be wrong. This is the first time you heard about the Euro Stability System by the way isn't it

It's a new time for the both of you then; it's Krazilec's first encounter with a random crackpoot theory, and it's your first encounter with basic knowledge. You should do a dance together!

[Kralizec]

It's a new time for the both of you then; it's Krazilec's first encounter with a random crackpoot theory, and it's your first encounter with basic knowledge. You should do a dance together!

My older brother believes in a lot of crackpot theories, and actively tries to convert everyone he knows, me included. It caused a lot of fights in our family; nowadays we usually manage to agree to disagree.

[Fragony]

My older brother believes in a lot of crackpot theories, and actively tries to convert everyone he knows, me included. It caused a lot of fights in our family; nowadays we usually manage to agree to disagree.

It's perfectly documented, or did your brother claim it wasn't.