The Elephant in the room.

[rory_20_uk]

...And was brought to prominence by Constantine, who then moved the religion to be centred in Rome. Who then picked the whole hierarchy.

Christianity can be about God, but the higher churches (a misnomer if ever there was one) are far more focused on money, power and control.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

...And was brought to prominence by Constantine, who then moved the religion to be centred in Rome. Who then picked the whole hierarchy.

About 0% of that is statistically correct.

Constantine, if anything, "moved" it to Constantinople, he could not "bring it to prominence" because it was already so prominent he basiaclly needed to convert to secure the Empire and he had absolutely no way to choose the "whole hierarchy" because there wasn't one.

The only thing Constantine could, and did, do was evict Bishops from the cities containing their Sees - which was not really an effective tool for shutting them up, it didn't stop Athanasius, it didn't even stop Arrian.

[Hax]

I'll just say one thing and leave it at that: not everything Muslims do is Islamic. That'll be all.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I'll just say one thing and leave it at that: not everything Muslims do is Islamic. That'll be all.

Fair enough, but if their identity as Muslims causes them to set themselves apart from majority "Christians", is that Islamic?

[Major Robert Dump]

Wouldn't this whole absurd debate we all know the answer to come to a swift end were we able to produce some examples of muslim men raping uslim women in manners that do not include family honor/debt type incidents. Like, how many incidents in the UK are there where muslim men rape muslim women for the sake of jollies?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Wouldn't this whole absurd debate we all know the answer to come to a swift end were we able to produce some examples of muslim men raping uslim women in manners that do not include family honor/debt type incidents. Like, how many incidents in the UK are there where muslim men rape muslim women for the sake of jollies?

None reported?

One of the articles I linked to is a Muslim activist and one of the ings he said was, "Asian girls aren't available to them".

[Kralizec]

Wouldn't this whole absurd debate we all know the answer to come to a swift end were we able to produce some examples of muslim men raping uslim women in manners that do not include family honor/debt type incidents. Like, how many incidents in the UK are there where muslim men rape muslim women for the sake of jollies?

I don't think there are any stats that can answer your question. But assuming your point is: "are muslims less inclined to rape a muslim woman than a native European?"

There's no doubt in my mind that these people, or more probably their parents, originate from a backwards culture. Pakistan presumably has evolved socially since they left, but that went by them completely because they don't live there, and since they didn't integrate into their new country's culture very well, they essentially fossilized into the backwardsness they were in when they left their country of origin. I say that because this pretty much applies to the Dutch-Turkish community - quite often they came from the most underdeveloped parts of Turkey; and while Turkey nowadays is the poster-child for the "islamic countries can be civilized, too" argument, some of our ethnically turkish population is significantly less "enlightened" than that (allthough to their credit, Turks in the Netherlands generally cause less trouble than Morrocans)

No doubt that the pedophiles in the OP didn't respect women, or girls very much. But then again, I doubt that rapists and/or pedophiles in general do. They specifically targeted white girls, which to me suggests that either:
A) they thought that Allah would send them to hell for raping an underage muslim girl out of wedlock, but thought that doing the same to white non-muslim girls would be halal
B) girls from their own ethnic background are less available and more difficult to groom
C) they feared social backlash and stigma if they did this to their "own community", and thought that police attention was less likely if they targeted white girls
Personally I'm guessing a combination of B and C.

In any case, apart from how terrible this incident is, most of the outrage here seems to be at the as-of-yet unsubstantiated claim that the police decided years ago they shouldn't investigate this case because they feared someone might cry "racist!". I'm no fan of the so called multicultural ideology, but I simply don't buy that accusation when there's nothing to back that up.

[Kadagar_AV]

MRD, that is not fair.

A muslim girl can, as I have understood it, not be raped.

If she has sex with someone she should not, it just means that the men responsible for her hasn't been controlling/protecting her enough, no?

[Ironside]

But... Backward tradition and religion, isn't that kind of the same thing?

The secular Iranians who came to Sweden during the cultural revolution has done well here, the muslim Iranians who has come lately - not so much.

And how many of those sucular Iranians are Muslim enough to be insulted by being bundled together with some backward tribalists?

Religion in those regions are also some kind of halfway thing. Rather than being very religious, they're being religious because they haven't experienced anything else. The real fundamentalists are a different breed, even if they can recruit easiest from those regions.

No doubt that the pedophiles in the OP didn't respect women, or girls very much. But then again, I doubt that rapists and/or pedophiles in general do. They specifically targeted white girls, which to me suggests that either:
A) they thought that Allah would send them to hell for raping an underage muslim girl out of wedlock, but thought that doing the same to white non-muslim girls would be halal
B) girls from their own ethnic background are less available and more difficult to groom
C) they feared social backlash and stigma if they did this to their "own community", and thought that police attention was less likely if they targeted white girls
Personally I'm guessing a combination of B and C.

In any case, apart from how terrible this incident is, most of the outrage here seems to be at the as-of-yet unsubstantiated claim that the police decided years ago they shouldn't investigate this case because they feared someone might cry "racist!". I'm no fan of the so called multicultural ideology, but I simply don't buy that accusation when there's nothing to back that up.

It has rather to do with excusing themself with madonna and whore mechanisms. Since white girls are sexually liberated, they have to be whores and whores are worthless people you can do anything with. And that their cultural manly role is threatened by equal and independent women, making them less than men (you can see men who are feeling this even native Scandinavians occationally) and that they aren't exactly the most successful people, they try to be successful by very basic and pathetic means of dominance and oppression.
Backwards as heck.

I'm curious for what the Koran talks about female and female sexuality and it's consequences for their social status. Something for our residental Koran expert perhaps?