The Elephant in the room.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

[Fragony]

Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

Ohnoes, that simply cannot be

Not so streetwise Krazilec

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Did they "fail to act" or were they gathering enough evidence to actually convict?

[Beskar]

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

A minority =/= the majority.

Did they "fail to act" or were they gathering enough evidence to actually convict?

The issue is an old one, was in the press over a year ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-12141603

[Greyblades]

Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

We must be the Nation of Peace.

I dont think that retort really works, some islamics say thiers is a religion of peace, yet I dont think anyone claims Britain is the Nation of peace.

Ah, I see you've edited it out.

[Beskar]

Ah, I see you've edited it out.

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...n-men-barnados

So... it's an issue, that the Left is trying to talk away by saying, "In Eastern Europe..." In much of Eastern Europe people live in such poverty they sell their own daughters to pimps, but not in the UK. This wasn't the sex trade - this was a gang of predators from one ethnic group targeting another ethnic group.

[Beskar]

What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/ma...n-men-barnados

So... it's an issue, that the Left is trying to talk away by saying, "In Eastern Europe..." In much of Eastern Europe people live in such poverty they sell their own daughters to pimps, but not in the UK. This wasn't the sex trade - this was a gang of predators from one ethnic group targeting another ethnic group.

Sure, if there is a current risk, then people need to be made aware that this happening. However, that doesn't mean the nice man from Pakistan who works in the local shop has a basement full of kidnapped white girls.

There is a clear difference between "being careful of acitivity x" and "all people are doing activity x, condemn them all!". That is the objection from my side. it is just totally wrong and vulgar. You wouldn't like it if some one ended up stereotyping you in such a way, and neither would I, simply because a minority group of British nations were doing the same in another country.

As it says in the Bible "Treat others as if you would like to be treated yourself", I believe you hold such a view and so do I.

The outrage is over the (sketchy) allegations that the police didn't investigate because they were afraid of being accused of being racist. Their concern in this case should be entirely about the crime being committed, and yours should be as well, not hand wringing about how the "Right" will exaggerate it. Come to think of it, in any crime by a muslim there are going to be right wing people exaggerating it to all muslims, so we should just not report or tell parents about any of those crimes. Instead we should get right back to "tackling the problem at every step" whatever that means.

Then that is what should be tackled, the failure of the action. However, the failure by one party doesn't give ground for widespread discrimination. Yes, the accused committed something terrible, people should have acted sooner. I don't think anyone would ever disagree on this point.

So what? He'll never meet your sisters, what happens to them has no effect on him, but he will read headlines written by "right wingers" that "stereotype all muslims" and be annoyed. He just has his priorities set right surely.

Yes, because clearly I would like to see harm to PVC's sisters, opposed to a reality where I hope such a thing would never happen to them, even though I have never met them, nor something I would ever wish to happen to anyone even people I might dislike.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Sure, if there is a current risk, then people need to be made aware that this happening. However, that doesn't mean the nice man from Pakistan who works in the local shop has a basement full of kidnapped white girls.

There is a clear difference between "being careful of acitivity x" and "all people are doing activity x, condemn them all!". That is the objection from my side. it is just totally wrong and vulgar. You wouldn't like it if some one ended up stereotyping you in such a way, and neither would I, simply because a minority group of British nations were doing the same in another country.

As it says in the Bible "Treat others as if you would like to be treated yourself", I believe you hold such a view and so do I.

Nobody is saying "all Muslim" or "all Pakistanis" - nobody worth listening to at any rate - what people are saying is that this happened, and continues to happen, because these ethnic groups are not properly integrated into our society. They see white girls as fundamentally different to Pakistani girls, to the extent that they will do things to the former they would never dare do to the latter.

That's the definition of racism - these Pakistanis and those like them who abuse white girls are racists.

The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".

[Fragony]

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

It did? I don't remember it. It's rather new and lefties don't like it as people might just get some doubts about multiculture. That happened here as the police so scared about the mlticultural left (with good reason) that they simply didn't act. They could lose their job because things just aren't the way people from 100% white neighbourhoods say you got to say it is. Buy a ticket for the Marry Poppins musical ffs I heard it is pretty good if you like that kind of thing

[Ja'chyra]

I've read about this and it's one of the most disgusting things I've heard, the idea that the police let it go on, even on the grounds of building a case is just plain wrong, the overriding duty of any adult is to protect children. If my cousins had been put through this I would now be up for multiple murders, the very least they should get is chemical castration, if not castration performed by a drunk, blind alcoholic with a rusty knife.

There should also be an investigation into why the local community let this happen and if they approve of it, if so that society, whatever it's fundamental beliefs, should be torn down and the ground salted.

[Fragony]

Gary Glitter thought the same about Vietnamese girls.

A minority =/= the majority.

You must be from that special place called not here. You can not walk with your GF in an area where culture has been enriched without any musings about her profession, and it isn't assumed that she has a degree in arts from the antiquity.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The issue is an old one, was in the press over a year ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-12141603

hmm, they should be more up front about the statistics rather than falling over themselves to talk about not stereotyping a whole community and how girls of all races are targetted. Parents having accurate information about what the threat to their daughters is is more important than some politicians anxiety about whether people will stereotype.

Stupid comment on my part. Regardless, the thing with these articles is that they take a very small subsection of a far greater population and insinuate that all "muslims" are bad because of the actions of a minority. This applies to other minority groupings across the world such as the "blacks" in America.

The opening post suggests the "left" is knickers in a twist because it is an minority, if anything the "left" are facepalming about the fact there are multiple sex slaving rings operated by British Nations but if you stick a 'Muslim' in there, all hell breaks loose on the "Right".

Idaho has got it right. This thing happens all over the world and it is bad and should be tackled at every step, but really... "Muslim did something wrong?! Let's accuse the actions of a group of men to an entire population of a billion" is just a step too far.

The outrage is over the (sketchy) allegations that the police didn't investigate because they were afraid of being accused of being racist. Their concern in this case should be entirely about the crime being committed, and yours should be as well, not hand wringing about how the "Right" will exaggerate it. Come to think of it, in any crime by a muslim there are going to be right wing people exaggerating it to all muslims, so we should just not report or tell parents about any of those crimes. Instead we should get right back to "tackling the problem at every step" whatever that means.

What you say may not be wrong, but the issue at hand which concerns those of us who might have white daughters/have white sisters is that we have a particular problem with Pakistani men in Britian.

So what? He'll never meet your sisters, what happens to them has no effect on him, but he will read headlines written by "right wingers" that "stereotype all muslims" and be annoyed. He just has his priorities set right surely.

[Vladimir]

Here is a link

8 of the men were Pakistani and one an Afghan.

They target white girls because they see them as sluts and don't value anybody outside their own community.

Religion of peace.

So the Swedish rapes made it to England then.

[Fragony]

So the Swedish rapes made it to England then.

Make no mistake about these rapes it is a huge problem there. You are saver in Africa as a blond hot chick.

[Vladimir]

Okay. It looks like productive conversation has come to an end.

[rory_20_uk]

In many parts of the world, you mess with the daughter and the Family / Clan will come and extract a blood debt. We don't do that sort of thing in the UK, we leave it to Social Services to ignore it, Police to not bother investigating and Politicians to brand all discussion implicit membership to the BNP.

Hence, it is a safe assumption that going after white girls is a safe course of action.

[rvg]

In many parts of the world, you mess with the daughter and the Family / Clan will come and extract a blood debt. We don't do that sort of thing in the UK, we leave it to Social Services to ignore it, Police to not bother investigating and Politicians to brand all discussion implicit membership to the BNP.

Hence, it is a safe assumption that going after white girls is a safe course of action.

Yes, looks like the British have become too civilized to defend themselves.

[HoreTore]

Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?

Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.

The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).

No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.

[Viking]

As far as I can tell, no pedo stuff here.

[HoreTore]

As far as I can tell, no pedo stuff here.

I heard ages of 13-15... Am I wrong? If so, I change my statement to read "abuse ring", which also doesn't change anything.

[Greyblades]

...I guess if you want to be technical its actually called Hebephilia and Ephebophilia.

[HoreTore]

...I guess if you want to be technical its actually called Hebephilia and Ephebophilia.

A 14-year old is a child. Especially with regards to sexual relations. Especially the girls.

I have personal experience in this field, perhaps as the only one here? I've had a 14-year old girl come on to me, her 25-year old substitute teacher. And I have to say that anyone who gets turned on by their clumsy advances are deeply disturbed individuals. They're children. They might look old enough, but once they start their advances you realize that they have the sexual brain of a 4-year old.

So, pedo.

[Viking]

I heard ages of 13-15... Am I wrong? If so, I change my statement to read "abuse ring", which also doesn't change anything.

Pedo is aiming pre-puberty aka ages ~11-12 and younger, and such people tend operate in very different ways; and the nature of the crime is also naturally different. Can't say I am familiar with the concept of abuse rings of teenagers, though; sounds more like something that has to do with human trafficking, which this case hasn't.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?

Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.

The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).

No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.

The fantasy of the local Pakistani PC?

What about the man from Bernado's who says Pakistani/Asian men are over-represented as abusers?

[Rhyfelwyr]

The comparisons being made between this case and that of other abuse rings simply don't cut it.

First off, the victims were targeted solely because of their racial profile. Eastern Europeans women may become trapped in prostitution rings because of their poverty. Vietnamese girls may be targeted by European men because they are able to get away with it in that country. In these cases the ethnic group of the victims is not the reason why they were targeted. What makes the case with these Pakistani men unique is that they targeted their victims purely because of their race.

Secondly, another reason why the comparison doesn't work is the relationship of the perpetrators with society. European men have to travel to Vietnam to find their victims because that sort of thing would never be tolerated by European society. Pedophiles are completley ostracised, vulnerable to vigilante-justice and generally regarded as the scum of the earth. On the other hand questions are being asked about whether the nature of the Pakistani community in Britain allowed these men to operate unhindered for so long.

Thirdly, there is the question over whether political motivitions had an impact on the ability of the police to do their job. This point is still really speculation but it's worth considering, especially given that we know the police had been aware for some time that this ring was active. I find it hard to believe this is par for the course when it comes to gathering evidence - effectively sacrificing more young girls so that they could make a stronger criminal conviction. Really?

[rvg]

The comparisons being made between this case and that of other abuse rings simply don't cut it.

First off, the victims were targeted solely because of their racial profile. Eastern Europeans women may become trapped in prostitution rings because of their poverty. Vietnamese girls may be targeted by European men because they are able to get away with it in that country. In these cases the ethnic group of the victims is not the reason why they were targeted. What makes the case with these Pakistani men unique is that they targeted their victims purely because of their race.

Or is it religion? Or the fact that they thought they could do it to those girls without the fear of being lynched by their neighbors?

Secondly, another reason why the comparison doesn't work is the relationship of the perpetrators with society. European men have to travel to Vietnam to find their victims because that sort of thing would never be tolerated by European society. Pedophiles are completley ostracised, vulnerable to vigilante-justice and generally regarded as the scum of the earth. On the other hand questions are being asked about whether the nature of the Pakistani community in Britain allowed these men to operate unhindered for so long.

Now this is a valid point.

Thirdly, there is the question over whether political motivitions had an impact on the ability of the police to do their job. This point is still really speculation but it's worth considering, especially given that we know the police had been aware for some time that this ring was active. I find it hard to believe this is par for the course when it comes to gathering evidence - effectively sacrificing more young girls so that they could make a stronger criminal conviction. Really?

So who's the real monster here, the silent majority or the cops whose duty is to protect the people?

[Rhyfelwyr]

Or is it religion? Or the fact that they thought they could do it to those girls without the fear of being lynched by their neighbors?

Well religion is really synonymous with race for our purposes here, ultimately the Pakistani community as a whole regards white women as trash. Although they seem to frame it in racial terms themselves. As we heard earlier, "white women are for fun".

As to the perpetrators possibly picking white girls because their community would not allow them to attack their own, even if that was the case (which is unlikely given the above), it would only show how deep the racism was in the wider community.

So who's the real monster here, the silent majority or the cops whose duty is to protect the people?

Well we don't know the particulars yet, although it is possible that it is down to an accumulation of errors.

[InsaneApache]

Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?

Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.

And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded *and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.

The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).

No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.

I wish I had a 'handringing' smilie.

*Not true and you effin know it.

[HoreTore]

I wish I had a 'handringing' smilie.

*Not true and you effin know it.

The perpotrators were caught by the police and sentenced by the courts. And they got additional sentencing because of their view on women.

Yes, what protection. So much for fascist paranoia.