The Elephant in the room.

**Viking** · 05-11-2012, 22:23

As far as I can tell, no pedo stuff here.

**HoreTore** · 05-11-2012, 22:25

Originally Posted by Viking

As far as I can tell, no pedo stuff here.

I heard ages of 13-15... Am I wrong? If so, I change my statement to read "abuse ring", which also doesn't change anything.

**Greyblades** · 05-11-2012, 22:31

...I guess if you want to be technical its actually called Hebephilia and Ephebophilia.

**HoreTore** · 05-11-2012, 22:40

Originally Posted by Greyblades

...I guess if you want to be technical its actually called Hebephilia and Ephebophilia.

A 14-year old is a child. Especially with regards to sexual relations. Especially the girls.

I have personal experience in this field, perhaps as the only one here? I've had a 14-year old girl come on to me, her 25-year old substitute teacher. And I have to say that anyone who gets turned on by their clumsy advances are deeply disturbed individuals. They're children. They might look old enough, but once they start their advances you realize that they have the sexual brain of a 4-year old.

So, pedo.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-11-2012, 22:43

Originally Posted by HoreTore

A 14-year old is a child. Especially with regards to sexual relations. Especially the girls.

I have personal experience in this field, perhaps as the only one here? I've had a 14-year old girl come on to me, her 25-year old substitute teacher. And I have to say that anyone who gets turned on by their clumsy advances are deeply disturbed individuals. They're children. They might look old enough, but once they start their advances you realize that they have the sexual brain of a 4-year old.

So, pedo.

They're not children - quite a few 14 year olds are sexually active and aware, reproductively responsible etc. What you are describing is their lack of sophistication, which is what makes them unattractive to most grown men. However, if you see a woman as merely a sex object then you can see a 14 year old as a woman for that purpose.

**HoreTore** · 05-11-2012, 22:45

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

They're not children - quite a few 14 year olds are sexually active and aware, reproductively responsible etc. What you are describing is their lack of sophistication, which is what makes them unattractive to most grown men. However, if you see a woman as merely a sex object then you can see a 14 year old as a woman for that purpose.

And that has what relation to a healthy view on sexual relations?

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-11-2012, 22:49

Originally Posted by HoreTore

And that has what relation to a healthy view on sexual relations?

It relates to these men seeing white girls, but not Pakistani/Afghan girls, as sex objects.

This is a problem of race relations, specifically an extreme lack of integration.

**Greyblades** · 05-11-2012, 23:47

Originally Posted by HoreTore

A 14-year old is a child. Especially with regards to sexual relations. Especially the girls.

I have personal experience in this field, perhaps as the only one here? I've had a 14-year old girl come on to me, her 25-year old substitute teacher. And I have to say that anyone who gets turned on by their clumsy advances are deeply disturbed individuals. They're children. They might look old enough, but once they start their advances you realize that they have the sexual brain of a 4-year old.

So, pedo.

Not the point, I thought Viking was saying that there was no pedophillia because as a technical term a pedophile is one who sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children (13 years or younger), Hebephiles are sexually attracted to early pubescent children (11–14) and Ephebophiles are attracted to late pubescent (15 to 19). For myself I dont care what they are labled, they acted in a horrific manner and they deserve nothing less than the death penalty.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-11-2012, 23:53

Originally Posted by Greyblades

Not the point, I thought Viking was saying that there was no pedophillia because as a technical term a pedophile is one who sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children (13 years or younger), Hebephiles are sexually attracted to early pubescent children (11–14) and Ephebophiles are attracted to late pubescent (15 to 19). For myself I dont care what they are labled, they acted in a horrific manner and they deserve nothing less than the death penalty.

Actually, aren't Ephebophiles attracted to teenage boys? An Ephebe is a beardless boy.

Ah, I see from wiki the term is corrupted. I can't help thinking we should use more precise terms for sexual perversions.

**Greyblades** · 05-11-2012, 23:59

Sometimes I wish we didnt need any terms for sexual perversions more kinky than Urination .

**Viking** · 05-11-2012, 22:34

Originally Posted by HoreTore

I heard ages of 13-15... Am I wrong? If so, I change my statement to read "abuse ring", which also doesn't change anything.

Pedo is aiming pre-puberty aka ages ~11-12 and younger, and such people tend operate in very different ways; and the nature of the crime is also naturally different. Can't say I am familiar with the concept of abuse rings of teenagers, though; sounds more like something that has to do with human trafficking, which this case hasn't.