HoreTore 22:40 05-11-2012
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
...I guess if you want to be technical its actually called Hebephilia and Ephebophilia.
A 14-year old is a child. Especially with regards to sexual relations. Especially the girls.
I have personal experience in this field, perhaps as the only one here? I've had a 14-year old girl come on to me, her 25-year old substitute teacher. And I have to say that anyone who gets turned on by their clumsy advances are deeply disturbed individuals. They're children. They might look old enough, but once they start their advances you realize that they have the sexual brain of a 4-year old.
So, pedo.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
A 14-year old is a child. Especially with regards to sexual relations. Especially the girls.
I have personal experience in this field, perhaps as the only one here? I've had a 14-year old girl come on to me, her 25-year old substitute teacher. And I have to say that anyone who gets turned on by their clumsy advances are deeply disturbed individuals. They're children. They might look old enough, but once they start their advances you realize that they have the sexual brain of a 4-year old.
So, pedo.
They're not children - quite a few 14 year olds are sexually active and aware, reproductively responsible etc. What you are describing is their lack of sophistication, which is what makes them unattractive to most grown men. However, if you see a woman as merely a sex object then you can see a 14 year old as a woman for that purpose.
HoreTore 22:45 05-11-2012
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
They're not children - quite a few 14 year olds are sexually active and aware, reproductively responsible etc. What you are describing is their lack of sophistication, which is what makes them unattractive to most grown men. However, if you see a woman as merely a sex object then you can see a 14 year old as a woman for that purpose.
And that has what relation to a healthy view on sexual relations?
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
And that has what relation to a healthy view on sexual relations?
It relates to these men seeing white girls, but not Pakistani/Afghan girls, as sex objects.
This is a problem of race relations, specifically an extreme lack of integration.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
It relates to these men seeing white girls, but not Pakistani/Afghan girls, as sex objects.
Do they view promiscuous Pakistani/Afghan girls any better? If they don't kill them that is.
HoreTore 22:55 05-11-2012
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
It relates to these men seeing white girls, but not Pakistani/Afghan girls, as sex objects.
This is a problem of race relations, specifically an extreme lack of integration.
And they got a harsher sentence because of that.
Originally Posted by rvg:
Do they view promiscuous Pakistani/Afghan girls any better? If they don't kill them that is.
These are 13 year old girls, they are unlikely to be promiscuous.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
These are 13 year old girls, they are unlikely to be promiscuous.
I'm talking within the framework of the post below...
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
Nobody is saying "all Muslim" or "all Pakistanis" - nobody worth listening to at any rate - what people are saying is that this happened, and continues to happen, because these ethnic groups are not properly integrated into our society. They see white girls as fundamentally different to Pakistani girls, to the extent that they will do things to the former they would never dare do to the latter.
That's the definition of racism - these Pakistanis and those like them who abuse white girls are racists.
The attitude is endemic Sanjeev Bhaskar is on record saying his father told him, "you want to have fun, white girls ok, then you marry an Indian girl".
HoreTore 23:01 05-11-2012
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
These are 13 year old girls, they are unlikely to be promiscuous.
13-year olds are actually bigger pigs than 14 and 15-year olds....
The proper answer to this thread though, is of course more feminism. We've emasculated the european male, now onto the next continent.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
13-year olds are actually bigger pigs than 14 and 15-year olds....
The proper answer to this thread though, is of course more feminism. We've emasculated the european male, now onto the next continent.
If by the next continent you mean Africa, then yes, full speed ahead.
Originally Posted by rvg:
I'm talking within the framework of the post below...
And yet - white boys have no problem marrying them. This was the attitude 30 years ago too - it's n't simple a reaction to modern sexual mores.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
13-year olds are actually bigger pigs than 14 and 15-year olds....
The proper answer to this thread though, is of course more feminism. We've emasculated the european male, now onto the next continent.
Obviously not without less multiculturalism so that gender-equality is absorbed by immigrant groups though, right?
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
And yet - white boys have no problem marrying them. This was the attitude 30 years ago too - it's n't simple a reaction to modern sexual mores.
And that's White boys' business. White boys, like any other boys can marry whomever they manage to talk into it. They aren't required to marry anyone in particular though, nor are they required to be impartial and objective in their choices. Besides, ethnic subcultures tend not to intermingle with outsiders anyway, and there's nothing wrong with that, after all, that's what 95% of people end up doing.
HoreTore 23:28 05-11-2012
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
And yet - white boys have no problem marrying them. This was the attitude 30 years ago too - it's n't simple a reaction to modern sexual mores.
Obviously not without less multiculturalism so that gender-equality is absorbed by immigrant groups though, right?
I have never in my life cared about culture.
A true commie knows that such nonsense belongs to the bourgeoisie.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
I have never in my life cared about culture.
A true commie knows that such nonsense belongs to the bourgeoisie.
Starting worrying - it is the issue in question.
Greyblades 23:47 05-11-2012
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
A 14-year old is a child. Especially with regards to sexual relations. Especially the girls.
I have personal experience in this field, perhaps as the only one here? I've had a 14-year old girl come on to me, her 25-year old substitute teacher. And I have to say that anyone who gets turned on by their clumsy advances are deeply disturbed individuals. They're children. They might look old enough, but once they start their advances you realize that they have the sexual brain of a 4-year old.
So, pedo.
Not the point, I thought Viking was saying that there was no pedophillia because as a technical term a pedophile is one who sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children (13 years or younger), Hebephiles are sexually attracted to early pubescent children (11–14) and Ephebophiles are attracted to late pubescent (15 to 19). For myself I dont care what they are labled, they acted in a horrific manner and they deserve nothing less than the death penalty.
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
Not the point, I thought Viking was saying that there was no pedophillia because as a technical term a pedophile is one who sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children (13 years or younger), Hebephiles are sexually attracted to early pubescent children (11–14) and Ephebophiles are attracted to late pubescent (15 to 19). For myself I dont care what they are labled, they acted in a horrific manner and they deserve nothing less than the death penalty.
Actually, aren't Ephebophiles attracted to teenage boys? An Ephebe is a beardless boy.
Ah, I see from wiki the term is corrupted. I can't help thinking we should use more precise terms for sexual perversions.
Greyblades 23:59 05-11-2012
Sometimes I wish we didnt need any terms for sexual perversions more kinky than Urination .
Originally Posted by Greyblades:
Sometimes I wish we didnt need any terms for sexual perversions more kinky than Urination .
I often wish we still gelded perverts and hung them with iron chains.
Ah - back when the Church was righteous.
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla:
I often wish we still gelded perverts and hung them with iron chains.
Ah - back when the Church was righteous.
Occasionally things still get done right. This guy had a problem and did what any good father would do: he took care of it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ody-parts.html
Greyblades 00:07 05-12-2012
Rhyfelwyr 00:19 05-12-2012
The comparisons being made between this case and that of other abuse rings simply don't cut it.
First off, the victims were targeted solely because of their racial profile. Eastern Europeans women may become trapped in prostitution rings because of their poverty. Vietnamese girls may be targeted by European men because they are able to get away with it in that country. In these cases the ethnic group of the victims is not the reason why they were targeted. What makes the case with these Pakistani men unique is that they targeted their victims purely because of their race.
Secondly, another reason why the comparison doesn't work is the relationship of the perpetrators with society. European men have to travel to Vietnam to find their victims because that sort of thing would never be tolerated by European society. Pedophiles are completley ostracised, vulnerable to vigilante-justice and generally regarded as the scum of the earth. On the other hand questions are being asked about whether the nature of the Pakistani community in Britain allowed these men to operate unhindered for so long.
Thirdly, there is the question over whether political motivitions had an impact on the ability of the police to do their job. This point is still really speculation but it's worth considering, especially given that we know the police had been aware for some time that this ring was active. I find it hard to believe this is par for the course when it comes to gathering evidence - effectively sacrificing more young girls so that they could make a stronger criminal conviction. Really?
Originally Posted by Rhyfhylwyr:
The comparisons being made between this case and that of other abuse rings simply don't cut it.
First off, the victims were targeted solely because of their racial profile. Eastern Europeans women may become trapped in prostitution rings because of their poverty. Vietnamese girls may be targeted by European men because they are able to get away with it in that country. In these cases the ethnic group of the victims is not the reason why they were targeted. What makes the case with these Pakistani men unique is that they targeted their victims purely because of their race.
Or is it religion? Or the fact that they thought they
could do it to those girls without the fear of being lynched by their neighbors?
Originally Posted by :
Secondly, another reason why the comparison doesn't work is the relationship of the perpetrators with society. European men have to travel to Vietnam to find their victims because that sort of thing would never be tolerated by European society. Pedophiles are completley ostracised, vulnerable to vigilante-justice and generally regarded as the scum of the earth. On the other hand questions are being asked about whether the nature of the Pakistani community in Britain allowed these men to operate unhindered for so long.
Now this is a valid point.
Originally Posted by :
Thirdly, there is the question over whether political motivitions had an impact on the ability of the police to do their job. This point is still really speculation but it's worth considering, especially given that we know the police had been aware for some time that this ring was active. I find it hard to believe this is par for the course when it comes to gathering evidence - effectively sacrificing more young girls so that they could make a stronger criminal conviction. Really?
So who's the real monster here, the silent majority or the cops whose duty is to protect the people?
Rhyfelwyr 01:20 05-12-2012
Originally Posted by rvg:
Or is it religion? Or the fact that they thought they could do it to those girls without the fear of being lynched by their neighbors?
Well religion is really synonymous with race for our purposes here, ultimately the Pakistani community as a whole regards white women as trash. Although they seem to frame it in racial terms themselves. As we heard earlier, "white women are for fun".
As to the perpetrators possibly picking white girls because their community would not allow them to attack their own, even if that was the case (which is unlikely given the above), it would only show how deep the racism was in the wider community.
Originally Posted by rvg:
So who's the real monster here, the silent majority or the cops whose duty is to protect the people?
Well we don't know the particulars yet, although it is possible that it is down to an accumulation of errors.
InsaneApache 01:54 05-12-2012
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Pedo rings not restricted to just people of european descent?
Wow. That changes..... Well, nothing really.
And about the allegations that this was handled poorly because of the offenders ethnicity... Do I really have to point out that that allegation is completely unfounded *and nothing more than the fantasy of one commentator? Since it reinforced existing prejudices, it hss persisted.
The fact of the case is that 9 men have been punished by the state for their crimes. They got no special treatment, in fact they got a harsher treatment because of their culture(ref verdict).
No doubt though, the fascist rethoric will continue and be as dishonest and ignorant as it always is.
I wish I had a 'handringing' smilie.
*Not true and you effin know it.
Originally Posted by Rhyfhylwyr:
Well religion is really synonymous with race for our purposes here, ultimately the Pakistani community as a whole regards white women as trash. Although they seem to frame it in racial terms themselves. As we heard earlier, "white women are for fun".
Let me ask you this, would they have extended the same kind of treatment to muslim girls (of any race) or to Christian Pakistani girls(yes, they do exist)? Keep in mind that I'm not trying to sugarcoat what they did (personally, I'd rather see them dead or in an American prison picking up the soap for the aryan brotherhood), but there's a huge difference between a racial hatred and ideological one.
InsaneApache 02:11 05-12-2012
It's not religious. It's cultural. rather explodes multi-culturism wouldn't you think?
Originally Posted by InsaneApache:
It's not religious. It's cultural. rather explodes multi-culturism wouldn't you think?
Never been a fan of multiculturalism myself. Speaking of culture though, don't Italian men oftentimes act pretty much the same (i.e. like complete pigs) way if they see an unescorted blonde on the streets of, say, Naples?
I can buy the cultural argument, but I can't consider this to be an indication of racism.
Rhyfelwyr 02:34 05-12-2012
Originally Posted by rvg:
Let me ask you this, would they have extended the same kind of treatment to muslim girls (of any race) or to Christian Pakistani girls(yes, they do exist)?
I'm well aware of Pakistani Christians, they make up 50% of the population in one of the cities there, can't remember what one.
And the answer to your question is "no", no they do not treat Pakistani Christian girls that way, there are quite a few of them in the diaspora in Britain.
In their eyes, white girls are trash and their white skin is a clear indication of their trashy status. Not Pakistani Christian girls. Not Jewish girls. Not East Asian girls. Not any other group of girls that don't happen to be Muslim. Just white girls.
Originally Posted by rvg:
Keep in mind that I'm not trying to sugarcoat what they did (personally, I'd rather see them dead or in an American prison picking up the soap for the aryan brotherhood), but there's a huge difference between a racial hatred and ideological one.
Speaking of prison gangs the Islamists are getting massive in the UK prisons. Forcing young inmates from their community to convert to al-Qaeda ideology, taking down posters of women, banning music on their wings, smuggling tapes of suicide bomber memorials etc.
From what I've heard UK prisons are starting to sound a lot more like American prisons. Divided along racial lines and nastier in general. Another things we can thank diversity for.
InsaneApache 02:54 05-12-2012
Originally Posted by rvg:
Never been a fan of multiculturalism myself. Speaking of culture though, don't Italian men oftentimes act pretty much the same (i.e. like complete pigs) way if they see an unescorted blonde on the streets of, say, Naples?
I can buy the cultural argument, but I can't consider this to be an indication of racism.
Once you get away from northern europe/scandanavia women are, pretty much, in the main regarded as slabs of meat. To be used. At whim.*
*
OK broad brush but made to make a point.
Originally Posted by :
Speaking of prison gangs the Islamists are getting massive in the UK prisons. Forcing young inmates from their community to convert to al-Qaeda ideology, taking down posters of women, banning music on their wings, smuggling tapes of suicide bomber memorials etc.
Interesting. Citation needed?
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