Results 1 to 28 of 28

Thread: Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Old Town Road Senior Member Strike For The South's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Between Louis' sheets
    Posts
    10,369

    Default Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

    I guess I missed the part where Indiana annexed Northern VA.

    One of the best forigen policy minds of the past 40 years is about to be replaced with an uncomprimising fool. Solid.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

  2. #2

    Default Re: Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

    But he wasn't a Tea Party conservative. How could we trust him to stop big government?


  3. #3
    Nobody expects the Senior Member Lemur's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Wisconsin Death Trip
    Posts
    15,754

    Default Re: Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

    That's a crying shame. He did a lot of good work on nuclear proliferation and our (messed up) relationship with Pakistan. Another moderate bites the dust.

  4. #4
    Needs more flowers Moderator drone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Moral High Grounds
    Posts
    9,286

    Default Re: Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

    If we would repeal the 17th, we wouldn't have to put up with stuff like this.
    The .Org's MTW Reference Guide Wiki - now taking comments, corrections, suggestions, and submissions

    If I werent playing games Id be killing small animals at a higher rate than I am now - SFTS
    Si je n'étais pas jouer à des jeux que je serais mort de petits animaux à un taux plus élevé que je suis maintenant - Louis VI The Fat

    "Why do you hate the extremely limited Spartan version of freedom?" - Lemur

  5. #5
    Upstanding Member rvg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    America
    Posts
    3,818

    Default Re: Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    If we would repeal the 17th, we wouldn't have to put up with stuff like this.
    Why would we give our power back to the government? Screw that.
    "And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman

    “The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett

  6. #6
    Old Town Road Senior Member Strike For The South's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Between Louis' sheets
    Posts
    10,369

    Default Re: Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

    I was going to write something but then realized he has me on ignore.

    If someone wants to hold his hand through Montisqeu, Madison, and the difference between 2 and 6 years I'd be much obliged
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

  7. #7
    Needs more flowers Moderator drone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Moral High Grounds
    Posts
    9,286

    Default Re: Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Why would we give our power back to the government? Screw that.
    The Senate was never intended to represent the people, it's supposed to represent the states. The 17th has been key in centralizing power in the federal government.
    The .Org's MTW Reference Guide Wiki - now taking comments, corrections, suggestions, and submissions

    If I werent playing games Id be killing small animals at a higher rate than I am now - SFTS
    Si je n'étais pas jouer à des jeux que je serais mort de petits animaux à un taux plus élevé que je suis maintenant - Louis VI The Fat

    "Why do you hate the extremely limited Spartan version of freedom?" - Lemur

  8. #8
    Sovereign Oppressor Member TIE Fighter Shooter Champion, Turkey Shoot Champion, Juggler Champion Kralizec's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Netherlands
    Posts
    5,812

    Default Re: Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by drone View Post
    If we would repeal the 17th, we wouldn't have to put up with stuff like this.
    Random observation: when post-war Germany was being rebuilt, west Germany adopted a constitution with a bi-cameral assembly in which one chamber (the Bundesrat, or Senate if you will) held a very large sway over the federal government. By and large, the same setup endures to this day, and with great success. Allthough it had historical precedent one of the reasons west-Germany was so "federal" was because the USA insisted that it would be that way - they thought it would be a good garantue against Prussian dominance, authoritarianism, and a load of other bad things.

  9. #9
    The very model of a modern Moderator Xiahou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    in the cloud.
    Posts
    9,007

    Default Re: Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    That's a crying shame. He did a lot of good work on nuclear proliferation and our (messed up) relationship with Pakistan. Another moderate bites the dust.
    He's also been in office longer than I've been alive and no longer bothered to live in the state that he nominally represented. I think it might have been time for a fresh face. Also, I doubt you'd lament his ouster if he was unseated by a Democrat.

    Quote Originally Posted by drone
    The Senate was never intended to represent the people, it's supposed to represent the states. The 17th has been key in centralizing power in the federal government.
    Get the petition started- I'll sign.
    "Don't believe everything you read online."
    -Abraham Lincoln

  10. #10
    Upstanding Member rvg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    America
    Posts
    3,818

    Default Re: Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Xiahou View Post
    He's also been in office longer than I've been alive and no longer bothered to live in the state that he nominally represented. I think it might have been time for a fresh face. Also, I doubt you'd lament his ouster if he was unseated by a Democrat.
    The fewer moderates we have in the Senate, the more dysfunctional it'll get. I can totally see the day when the Senate will be unable to function unless one of the parties holds a supermajority.
    "And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman

    “The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett

  11. #11
    The very model of a modern Moderator Xiahou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2002
    Location
    in the cloud.
    Posts
    9,007

    Default Re: Dick Lugar Out Of The Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    The fewer moderates we have in the Senate, the more dysfunctional it'll get. I can totally see the day when the Senate will be unable to function unless one of the parties holds a supermajority.
    Sounds good. The less functional it is, the less damage it can do. Too bad it didn't happen before Obamacare was passed.

    Don't get me wrong, there are problems (long-term entitlement spending) that the federal government needs to address- I just don't have any confidence that it will do so. Any attempts at "reform" so far have only made things worse instead of better.
    "Don't believe everything you read online."
    -Abraham Lincoln

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO