As much as I hate pedofiles...

**Kadagar_AV** · 05-16-2012, 15:50

We have an interesting case in Sweden now.

A translator got arrested for having child porn on his computer. This turned out to be manga, and he worked translating it and trying to spread it in Sweden.

Of course, only some 50 of the hundreds and hundreds of cartoons found were seen as child porn, but, enough to have him arrested and sentenced. This case has now gone to the next level in the juridical system.

As an example of pictures used in the trial against him:
http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/.../mangaporr.jpg

I added that picture because that is one that the prosecution now has removed as evidence, but originally used against him.

This all started out with a pissed of ex btw.

Thoughts?

Where do we draw the line?

**Lemur** · 05-16-2012, 15:53

Gotta admit, this makes me uneasy. I just ... gah. Hard to formulate.

I get really nervous when the fictional depiction of a thing is made illegal. Even something as loathsome as pedophilia.

So the guy is going to translate fictional depictions of pedobear lovetime, and he goes to jail? I dunno. Not good. I'm struggling to form my thoughts, but this does not sound or feel right.

**Kadagar_AV** · 05-16-2012, 15:56

I thought this case would be BR worthy :)

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-16-2012, 15:59

Originally Posted by Lemur

Gotta admit, this makes me uneasy. I just ... gah. Hard to formulate.

I get really nervous when the fictional depiction of a thing is made illegal. Even something as loathsome as pedophilia.

So the guy is going to translate fictional depictions of pedobear lovetime, and he goes to jail? I dunno. Not good. I'm struggling to form my thoughts, but this does not sound or feel right.

My instinct is that an attraction to a juvanile looking woman cannot be a crime - and that what we are talking about here is appearence rather that child exploitation.

It might be distasteful but it can't be a crime. I mean, I know a guy who prefers his women slim and elfin to the extreme (me, I go for your traditional Celtic beauty) - I found it wierd at 17 and I still find it wierd today but the guy only dates within his age bracket so far as I know.

**Kadagar_AV** · 05-16-2012, 16:04

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

My instinct is that an attraction to a juvanile looking woman cannot be a crime - and that what we are talking about here is appearence rather that child exploitation.

It might be distasteful but it can't be a crime. I mean, I know a guy who prefers his women slim and elfin to the extreme (me, I go for your traditional Celtic beauty) - I found it wierd at 17 and I still find it wierd today but the guy only dates within his age bracket so far as I know.

How about then, if it is evident in the comic that the girl finding banana eating to be a joint effort is 13 years old?

**Lemur** · 05-16-2012, 16:09

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

How about then, if it is evident in the comic that the girl finding banana eating to be a joint effort is 13 years old?

Okay, but as I said, it is fiction. To me this is an important distinction. In Lord of the Flies we see children go through every horror except rape; should it be illegal to own or read Lord of the Flies?

All I'm saying is that putting people in jail for fictive depictions has a long and ignoble history. I don't believe that we should criminalize made-up stories. Even horrific, loathsome made-up stories.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 05-16-2012, 16:09

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

How about then, if it is evident in the comic that the girl finding banana eating to be a joint effort is 13 years old?

You mean, she is evidenced as having a mental age of 13?

Then I suppose the comic is a gateway drug to actual child porn, but it still isn't really child porn, and it's considerably less twisted than some of the other stuff that comes out of Japan - or anywhere else.

**Greyblades** · 05-16-2012, 16:22

I really dont care, the perversions of the internet as wide and wierd and wonderful and horrible as they are as long as it stays fictional I dont give a damn about drawings and I dont think the courts should.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 05-16-2012, 16:51

The article I can find says he was fined. I don't think any of us have gone through and looked at what he was charged for so it's kind of theoretical, but that seems appropriate if the content merits it. The fact that it's drawings doesn't disqualify it.

**Hax** · 05-16-2012, 16:57

Convicting would mean a dangerous precedent: who is to judge when a female is underage or not, even when (and especially when) depicted fictionally or in the form of (pornographic) art. I remember this case in Australia where porn with small-breasted women is banned simply because they'd appear child-like. Which should be laughable, but is actually quite offensive.

**ICantSpellDawg** · 05-17-2012, 00:59

Originally Posted by Lemur

Gotta admit, this makes me uneasy. I just ... gah. Hard to formulate.

I get really nervous when the fictional depiction of a thing is made illegal. Even something as loathsome as pedophilia.

So the guy is going to translate fictional depictions of pedobear lovetime, and he goes to jail? I dunno. Not good. I'm struggling to form my thoughts, but this does not sound or feel right.

I agree, it is creepy but there is no crime in wanking it to cartoons. Horrific images of children come from someone else forcing children to do horrific things and this is why it is illegal. This case sounds stupid. They could make the case that the girls in the photos just look really young but are, in fact, adults with growth problems. It's fantasy so I challenge the court to prove otherwise.

EDIT - my opinions expressed are not evidence that I am interested in manga sex. I find it weird and pointless.