Proposed Sauro Rules Change

[gamegeek2]

NOTE: I am admitting a conflict of interest here since I may play the Sauromatae in an upcoming tournament. Nonetheless, I am putting forward these suggestions:

1. Dugundiz are added to the Sauro factional list
2. Xeruneutoz and Germanic Levy Spears are removed from Sauro roster
3. Vojinos are restatted to be similar to Lugoae but more morale and better vs cavalry, and lose fear
4. Sauro are limited to 6 nonfactional units like all other factions
5. Sauros no longer are limited to 4 individual Greek or Germanic units

[Lazy O]

Make them Sweboz with Cataphracts and Horse archers ? O goodie !

[Arjos]

2,3 and 4 are ok; but 1 is too much: afaik Sauros never got there, there was a scythian "invasion" that reached Germania in 5th or 4th century BC (iirc), otherwise the contact with the Sauromatae was the other way around (germanic tribes reaching Crimea) and it was in AD times...

I think what could be done is importing either steppe units to the KH or hellenic to the Sauromatae, creating the Kimmerios Bosporos roster, which would work like the roman eras: ie can't use both units in the same army...

[gamegeek2]

2,3 and 4 are ok; but 1 is too much: afaik Sauros never got there, there was a scythian "invasion" that reached Germania in 5th or 4th century BC (iirc), otherwise the contact with the Sauromatae was the other way around (germanic tribes reaching Crimea) and it was in AD times...

I think what could be done is importing either steppe units to the KH or hellenic to the Sauromatae, creating the Kimmerios Bosporos roster, which would work like the roman eras: ie can't use both units in the same army...

I outlined a proposal for this previously. However carrying out 2, 3, and 4 but not 1 would just result in a massive depowering.

[Lazy O]

They need it though, as they are the only steppe faction with access to armored archers AND good infantry .

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Yes but they also don't have arrow proof cataphracts and usually suffer badly against these. Sauro infantry is mostly lightly armored and suffers badly against javelins. Gamegeek didn't mention it but he explained it to me that Dugundiz would represent Slavic retainer infantry for them which the EB team did not include in the game. If this is the case, I have no problem with it. Dugundiz are average line units at best, their only advantage being high morale and discipline. Any high lethality unit eats them for breakfast. The idea is to stop Bosporan and silly Bastarnae spam by Sauro players who have little other recourse. This would limit Sauros to a combo of 6 Bastarnae/Bosporans/slingers if they need to counter cataphract archers/Hoplites for heavy infantry.

Lets be honest Lazy, the two best steppe factions are Saka and Pahlava. The armored foot archers don't mean as much anymore when they can be fought to a standstill by several cheaper steppe foot archers. We don't have the 40 arrow 3 shield tanks that used to rule the missile roost anymore