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    Who would want to make a mini series that would risk a fatwa being issued for some minor detail in the plot, then you change the detail and some other group issues another fatwa.

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    First fitna meaning the revolt right after the Prophet's death?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy O View Post
    First fitna meaning the revolt right after the Prophet's death?
    The one that took place about 25-30 years after his death though pretty much everyone had known the Prophet. And it involved several people becoming and ceasing to become the Caliph till the Ummayads finally had a hold on the title.


    Quote Originally Posted by johnhughthom View Post
    Who would want to make a mini series that would risk a fatwa being issued for some minor detail in the plot, then you change the detail and some other group issues another fatwa.
    I suppose you'd get that, not sure how effective the fatwa would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noncommunist View Post
    The one that took place about 25-30 years after his death though pretty much everyone had known the Prophet. And it involved several people becoming and ceasing to become the Caliph till the Ummayads finally had a hold on the title.




    I suppose you'd get that, not sure how effective the fatwa would be.
    Now I cannot know which event you are referring to ... Can you be a bit more specific? The Umayyads murdered Ali, the previous caliphs had also been murdered apart from Abu Bakr, thats a very long span of time .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy O View Post
    Now I cannot know which event you are referring to ... Can you be a bit more specific? The Umayyads murdered Ali, the previous caliphs had also been murdered apart from Abu Bakr, thats a very long span of time .
    I was thinking of the point from when the Caliph Uthman was murdered to the point to where Muawiyah took power. So that would encompass the reign of Ali, the rebellion of Aisha and then the battles between Ali and Muawiya and then the Khajarites rebelling assassinating Ali till Hasan was forced out of the Caliphate.

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    Wow, would that be one heck of a controversial movie ;D


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnhughthom View Post
    Who would want to make a mini series that would risk a fatwa being issued for some minor detail in the plot, then you change the detail and some other group issues another fatwa.
    Made me chuckle. Bitterly true.
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    Quite apart from the danger of fatwa, wouldn't it be morally irresponsible to stir up contraversy? Like the Middle East isn't stirred up enough already?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandy Blue View Post
    Quite apart from the danger of fatwa, wouldn't it be morally irresponsible to stir up contraversy? Like the Middle East isn't stirred up enough already?
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    The producers, the film company, the actors, and everyone involved would need guards for the rest of their lives, short or long.

    Even if you tried to make it sympathetic to both sides some cleric is going to get upset.

    It is a no win proposition.

    Besides, if you want history you want both sides portrayed as they were, and likely both sides were bad-guys.

    You may as well remake a Sinbad the Sailor movie if you are just making pretty stories.
    Certainly, Muslims have reacted poorly to some things in the past. However, those things usually were directly insulting. Such as showing a picture of Muhammed with a bomb for a hat, or showing women that suffer under Islam.

    And certainly, both sides could be shown to be sympathetic as both sides did have understandable goals. While it's likely that some cleric would get angry, it doesn't seem that large scale violence would break out if efforts were taken not to offend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noncommunist View Post
    Certainly, Muslims have reacted poorly to some things in the past. However, those things usually were directly insulting. Such as showing a picture of Muhammed with a bomb for a hat, or showing women that suffer under Islam.

    And certainly, both sides could be shown to be sympathetic as both sides did have understandable goals. While it's likely that some cleric would get angry, it doesn't seem that large scale violence would break out if efforts were taken not to offend.
    Well...I don't know about that. What I do know about is that there isn't a market for it. Sure, some people will watch it but there are many more profitable topics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Noncommunist View Post
    While it's likely that some cleric would get angry, it doesn't seem that large scale violence would break out if efforts were taken not to offend.
    I wouldn't really expect large scale violence either. In fact I wouldn't necessarily expect even one death to be directly attributable to such a film. I just wonder if its a good idea to add to even a little when there is so much division already.
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    I don't know. Provided it was done properly, it would shed light on divisions and factionalism. For most people (me included) it could be very educational and informative.

    How much of the history is solid/contentious? That divide is really important.
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    I can understand that reasoning but I'm not sure it's reason not to do a film. "Jesus Christ Superstar" was controversial to a far greater extent that most likely movies treating the beginning of the Ummayids would try to be. I bet Hollywood (or "Bollywood" or any number of non-American film companies) could do the story without going to the level of offensiveness of equating Muhammed or Islam with Terrorism. Personally I suspect Ali would be the "good guy" if it were a Hollywood film. Americans always do like their underdogs (A prejudice I'm by no means immune to).

    Quote Originally Posted by Brandy Blue View Post
    Quite apart from the danger of fatwa, wouldn't it be morally irresponsible to stir up contraversy? Like the Middle East isn't stirred up enough already?
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