Top 10 historical Butthurts in the Eb era

[seleucid empire]

Hey I was just wondering if anyone here could compile a list of the top 10 defeats during the EB era. Im talking about battles where one side was COMPLETELY pwned :)

[Arjos]

- Cannae
- Trebbia
- Teutoburg
- Arausio
- Aquae Sextiae
- Vercellae
- Telamon
- Ecbatana
- Paneion
- Actium or Drepana

[Blxz]

Caesar in the senate room comes to mind. I think one side was completely unharmed while the other had ~46 stab wounds. Maybe not what you were looking for though?

[seleucid empire]

what about carrhae? where abouts would that go on the list? I know it doesnt have as many casualties as some battles listed here such as cannae and Aquae Sextiae but the entire roman force was destroyed aswell and by a force of 10 000 Parthians. How large was a parthian army anyway was 10 000 the normal size??

[gamegeek2]

Arjos mentioned Paneion, but I think that was a pretty regular defeat, if decisive. I mean getting cataphracts charging in your rear will leave your army quite butthurt, but...

[seleucid empire]

Arjos mentioned Paneion, but I think that was a pretty regular defeat, if decisive. I mean getting cataphracts charging in your rear will leave your army quite butthurt, but...

hmm yeh i was wondering about the hellenistic wars. It seemed that even though they had really large battles such as raphia and ipsos they didnt really destroy the other person's army. At Raphia it was a full rout of the Seleucids yet they lost like 8-10 000 men out of the 70 000