Poll: EBO EDU for Single Player

[gamegeek2]

Please respond to the poll.

[Kival]

I voted for yes and without significant changes because I'd just personalize it myself after it generally has been changed to work for SP. I'd vote to pay attention to the specific requirements of Single Player. So Elites should probably cost a little more etc. I was not sure if that would account as significant changes.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

Agree wholeheartedly with Kival.

Also, I don't think we've edited upkeep right? That might be a significant change.

[Kival]

Also, I don't think we've edited upkeep right? That might be a significant change.

Na. That would "just" be part of the general transformation process. Does not mean it's no work but without it it would not be a Single-Player-Edu at all in my regard.

[Arjos]

EBII-NOM-EBO, that's the prioritization imo...
The day that we'll have an EDU, which we will consider final (a day that will never come, only the end of times will settle it), then yes I'd think porting it to SP will be useful...

[Lazy O]

I'm with Arjos, not worth it .

[capomafioso]

i would appreciate this greatly, although how much work would it be? although its appreciated its not a priority

[vartan]

I'm in support of this idea. As far as I know, EDU changes are not save-game compatible. As such, I propose that the SP ports come out once a year. They will be SP analogs of the EBO MP EDU used for the first tournament month of the year (usually June). For example, if we were to expect a 2012 SP port, it would be the SP version of EBO MP EDU v3.4, the one we are using in the current June 2012 tournament. This not only cuts down on time and effort put into SP port production, but it means users can play extended campaigns (multiple ones, at that) without constantly being bombarded with non-compatible EDU updates.

The reason we can update so often in MP is simply because it is a battle-based EDU, not a campaign-based one.

[Lazy O]

They are save game compatible as far as I know .

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

They are most certainly save-game compatible. If for example, you start a campaign with 80 man persian archers and switch to 120 part way through, you can simply retrain them to that amount.

[vartan]

Then nevermind. Now the question is: how easy or difficult is it to port any given EBO MP EDU to the necessary SP files! If it's just the EDU, then I guess it could be up to speed with our MP revisions...

[Lazy O]

I guess if we can just make every unit recruitable by every faction that would be the easy way out ?

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

You'd have a lot of grey peasants and a lot of CTD's upon loading battles that way I think. Best is to go to your original sp backup edu and copy/paste ownership lines from there. The real issue here is mainly recruitment cost/upkeep which is something we'd really have to delve into. You have to remember that unlike 36k battles, every faction does not start off equally in EB, nor should they.

[vartan]

Upkeep is a quarter of recruitment cost. If we change recruitment cost, it wouldn't be based on the EBO MP EDU anymore. Would be no point in doing it. Costs were meant to be founded in something common such as the armor and weapons on the units. Adding more noise by way of arbitrary repricing due to initial financial conditions of one faction or another can have long term effects that go against the philosophy of said common pricing basis.

[Aper]

The first. Though I don't play MP I appreciate very much gg2 efforts and I'd like to try a campaign with his EDU. I'd reinstall RTW+EB for the sake of that, screw my courses.

[NacroxNicke]

The only problem that I see is that the campaign AI selects the type of unit to buy looking at the upkeep and recruitment costs, so they tend to choose too many elite full upgraded soldiers as they are cheaper than horses and have "better stats"

[vartan]

That's right Nac, the AI is nothing to write home about...

[NacroxNicke]

My point was that if the EDU is changed, the AI of the factions will be changed too.

[gamegeek2]

I am considering shrinking the elites in size for this campaign EDU

[antisocialmunky]

YES.

Lol @ Realism Mod for the Realism Mod.

[vartan]

My point was that if the EDU is changed, the AI of the factions will be changed too.

I just want to eat that dog.


Eat me!

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

That dog is incredibly creepy. Its just a floating head.

[vartan]

That dog is incredibly creepy. Its just a floating head.

Only EBO threads can get away with such an extent of Off-Topicness. Only EBO.

*shoots floating dog head*

[NacroxNicke]

So... My point was: if the EDU is changed, the AI of the factions will be changed too.

[Brave Brave Sir Robin]

The AI won't be changed at all. They will just spam even more elite units thats all

[vartan]

The dog has spoken.