Teacher get's death threats and racist hate mail for banning God Bless America.

[spankythehippo]

Wow. The longest thread title I've ever written. It says "teacher" because there are character restrictions.


Aaaaanyways...

http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-god-bl...,7467477.story


This is just absurd. I don't understand the hate. The principal decided not to play God Bless America. What's wrong with that? And if someone has a problem, no need to insult the person. Don't hate the criminal, hate the crime. But this isn't even a crime.


Thoughts?

[Major Robert Dump]

So a few letters were written. She probably wrote them herself so she could look like more of a vicitm.

FYI, it wasnt God Bless America, is was God Bless the USA. A pretty popualr song. She said they couldn't sing it. In America. In a school full of immigrants who are happy to be in America. Yet she allows a teen love song to remain.

Maybe had she contemplated her actions a little more before making her stupid decision, there would not be such an outcry.

The reason people are mad is because its stupid. It's dumb. WTF is up with all these people who get offended by patriotic songs and symbols of the country they immigrated to and the PC Police trying to keep feelings from getting hurt? I seem to recall a kid getting in trouble at a predominantly Latino school in the USA for wearing flag shirt on Cinco De Mayo. I seem to recall some schools during the failed "dont-go-to-work-on-immigration-protest-day" flying the mexican flag over the US flag.

Dumb crap like this just polarizes people further

[Kadagar_AV]

So a few letters were written. She probably wrote them herself so she could look like more of a vicitm.

FYI, it wasnt God Bless America, is was God Bless the USA. A pretty popualr song. She said they couldn't sing it. In America. In a school full of immigrants who are happy to be in America. Yet she allows a teen love song to remain.

Maybe had she contemplated her actions a little more before making her stupid decision, there would not be such an outcry.

The reason people are mad is because its stupid. It's dumb. WTF is up with all these people who get offended by patriotic songs and symbols of the country they immigrated to and the PC Police trying to keep feelings from getting hurt? I seem to recall a kid getting in trouble at a predominantly Latino school in the USA for wearing flag shirt on Cinco De Mayo. I seem to recall some schools during the failed "dont-go-to-work-on-immigration-protest-day" flying the mexican flag over the US flag.

Dumb crap like this just polarizes people further

Word.

[Kadagar_AV]

This topic is very hot in Sweden, where principals are banning anything from psalms to the national anthem because our dear MENA citizens might get upset.

[HoreTore]

There is no singing of patriotic songs or psalms in my classroom. No way.



Justin Bieber is fine though.

I don't see it as my job to "promote values and culture". You lazy-ass parents can do that yourself.

[Kadagar_AV]

There is no singing of patriotic songs or psalms in my classroom. No way.



Justin Bieber is fine though.

I don't see it as my job to "promote values and culture". You lazy-ass parents can do that yourself.

I... I... I don't know what to say.

That post is so full of fail I don't even know where to begin.

EDIT: No really, I am speechless. I for the first time in my life encountered a post where I think the gap between what I believe in in what the person believes in, is so wide that all form of communication would be about as effective as a whisper between mountain tops.

[HoreTore]

I... I... I don't know what to say.

That post is so full of fail I don't even know where to begin.

The only values I care about are those who contribute to a better learning enviroment, like "we let others speak without interupting", "when someone else is doing a presentation, we behave respectfully as an audience", etc.

If you want your kid raised with specific set of morals, I suggest you do it yourself. My job is to introduce your kid to all the other sets of morals in existance, not strenghten a specific set.

[Kadagar_AV]

The only values I care about are those who contribute to a better learning enviroment, like "we let others speak without interupting", "when someone else is doing a presentation, we behave respectfully as an audience", etc.

If you want your kid raised with specific set of morals, I suggest you do it yourself. My job is to introduce your kid to all the other sets of morals in existance, not strenghten a specific set.

How do you introduce, say, South African blacks morals to stick their ... inside a baby to cure AIDS?

I thought your job was to strengthen the Norwegian set of morals in the kids?

[spankythehippo]

The only values I care about are those who contribute to a better learning enviroment, like "we let others speak without interupting", "when someone else is doing a presentation, we behave respectfully as an audience", etc.

If you want your kid raised with specific set of morals, I suggest you do it yourself. My job is to introduce your kid to all the other sets of morals in existance, not strenghten a specific set.

This, I agree with. It's the parent's job to choose the right set of morals for their children to follow. It is inevitable that people will see other people with different morals. So, children should be taught about acceptance. And as long as your morals don't conflict with anyone else's, everything should be somewhat alright.

[a completely inoffensive name]

My job is to introduce your kid to all the other sets of morals in existance, not strenghten a specific set.

I thought your job was to teach them algebra.

[rajpoot]

There is no singing of patriotic songs or psalms in my classroom. No way.

What if, say, 20 out of 25 kids want to sing a patriotic song in your classroom. (Or say their parents want them to sing it...?)

[Fragony]

What if, say, 20 out of 25 kids want to sing a patriotic song in your classroom. (Or say their parents want them to sing it...?)

Get out, go home, find a different school. I wouldn't do it anything different. Patrionism is not something to be teached in schools, politics should stay out completely.

[rajpoot]

Get out, go home, find a different school. I wouldn't do it anything different. Patrionism is not something to be teached in schools, politics should stay out completely.

But what if a kid wants to sing a song about a country he loves?
Since when is patriotism synonymous with politics? Is it so hard to be simply proud of ones country, all politics put aside?

[HoreTore]

What if, say, 20 out of 25 kids want to sing a patriotic song in your classroom. (Or say their parents want them to sing it...?)

Who cares? It has no relevance to the subject of the class, and as such has no place there. If 20 out of 25 wants to play on their cell phones instead of following the class, I won't let them to that either.

As for politics staying out of the classrooms, that is of course nonsense. Knowledge of the different political views is of course a vital part of education.

If you as a parent feel that pride in your country is a valuable lesson for your kid, rajpoot, then I suggest you as a parent teach them that. That's your job, not mine. My job is to make them aware that other people might see things differently.

[Fragony]

Who cares? It has no relevance to the subject of the class, and as such has no place there. If 20 out of 25 wants to play on their cell phones instead of following the class, I won't let them to that either.

As for politics staying out of the classrooms, that is of course nonsense. Knowledge of the different political views is of course a vital part of education.

No, as teachers lack the self-restraint to impose their own. And you wouldn't believe what you will find in some of our schoolbooks it is pure propaganda. They feel they have the right to indoctrinate kids with leftist nonsense because they are on the good side of the argument in their opinion, so just leave it out completely. Much better.

[rajpoot]

If you as a parent feel that pride in your country is a valuable lesson for your kid, rajpoot, then I suggest you as a parent teach them that. That's your job, not mine. My job is to make them aware that other people might see things differently.

Now that's a matter of opinion isn't it.....I mean as a teacher you feel that you should be neutral in these things. I'm pretty sure there are other teachers out there who feel it is their duty to instill national pride in their pupils.....

I guess this depends on where a person lives.....over here for instance, still many people are illiterate. National pride is probably one of the last things they'll teach their kids. So I feel it is vital that schools step in. Or at least don't start banning patriotic songs.

[The Stranger]

What if, say, 20 out of 25 kids want to sing a patriotic song in your classroom. (Or say their parents want them to sing it...?)

what if 20 of them want to sing the mexican anthem. or a nazi march song?

[Moros]

Or a nazi march song?

I can recommend: Die Lore. It's catchy and gets a party going.

[Skullheadhq]

This topic is very hot in Sweden, where principals are banning anything from psalms to the national anthem because our dear MENA citizens might get upset.

Sweden is so multiculti/cultural marxist it isn't even funny anymore. I know, biased source, but too lazy too look further, but check out what their Green Party is doing over there.

[Strike For The South]

The Swedish Green Party state explicitly that the concepts male and female are "socially constructed" and forced upon all human beings.

Yea that whole genitilia thing is just like your opinion man.

Second wave feminism is terrible. Anyone born between 1945-65 should be taken out back and shot. You people screwed up so bad, I didn't even realize it was possible to screw up this bad.

[HoreTore]

Yea that whole genitilia thing is just like your opinion man.

You should know better than to rely on fascist sources, SFTS.

What the greens mean, is that gender roles are largely social constructs. They also hold the opinion that enviromental and structural forces play a bigger part in determining who you are than "free will".

[Skullheadhq]

that gender roles are largely social constructs.

Some people actually believe this

[Fragony]

Sweden is so multiculti/cultural marxist it isn't even funny anymore. I know, biased source, but too lazy too look further, but check out what their Green Party is doing over there.

Starting to get the idea, the left is insane

[Greyblades]

Starting to get the idea, the left is insane

As is the right. And Center.

[Kadagar_AV]

Sweden is so multiculti/cultural marxist it isn't even funny anymore. I know, biased source, but too lazy too look further, but check out what their Green Party is doing over there.

You don't need to look further, that source got it about right.

I wouldn't be surprised if we soon have banned Swedish for Arabic, and have laws dictating men must smack their own balls every morning and think of the historical errors towards women.

I exaggerate a little, but not as much as most people would think.

[Fragony]

You don't need to look further, that source got it about right.

I wouldn't be surprised if we soon have banned Swedish for Arabic, and have laws dictating men must smack their own balls every morning and think of the historical errors towards women.

I exaggerate a little, but not as much as most people would think.

Getting a little bit creepy huh, but that is just a bit of a populist thing to say. Sweden..

[Ironside]

You don't need to look further, that source got it about right.

I wouldn't be surprised if we soon have banned Swedish for Arabic, and have laws dictating men must smack their own balls every morning and think of the historical errors towards women.

I exaggerate a little, but not as much as most people would think.

Meh, the radical left doesn't even have that much support even on the left. They do have a lot of media content. Roughly, if you made some really good work 20 years ago, you're still in, even if you find Lenin better than the founder of Swedish social democracy . Aggressive left wing groups being usually treated with kiddie gloves are true without debate though.

The most extreme gender role radicalism is about letting the child developing on their own, without outside gender influence (it might be stronger radicalism, but they aren't in the media). This is of course interpretated as trying to completly wipe out any gender difference, while the end result if perfectly done (probably impossible), would show the natural differenences and the overlap. This is very rare.

[Kadagar_AV]

HoreTore, another catchy title for a book is "My Struggle". Can I wave that title around without connotations to the author?

The claim that gender roles varied is a rather recent development, actually. The division of work has generally seen the man go "out" and the woman stay "in". Managing the household has generally been the preserve of the wife, at different times in different economies this has involved different things. Currently the paradigm is about the woman replacing the servants while the man takes on the task of bringing in cash to buy goods. In previous eras where women engaged in more "economic activity" as you call it households were more self sufficient and we did not operate using a solely cash economy.

The idea that these "constructs" have "evolved" is not logically defensible, not only do we have no history (i.e. written source) which does not include a gendered division of labour, but there is no evidence that the division developed AFTER our species evolved. Gorillas, for example, operate a gendered society just like humans.

What has fluctuated is the social value placed upon the gender roles. Your denegration of a "traditional" woman's role is a great example - running a household and raising children are in every way as demanding and potentially rewarding as a salaried job, if not more so, but society does not value these as contributions.

Thanks dude. Posts like this is what keeps me coming back. I for one think the feministic (I might misspell that, but the Google auto-word finder doesnt find a match. Kudos to Google) movement should work way harder with the lions, spiders and apes. Let's help the sisters in most need first!!! Except for the spiders of course, there it is more like we men totally need to get our eyes opened to what is happening.

Meh, the radical left doesn't even have that much support even on the left. They do have a lot of media content. Roughly, if you made some really good work 20 years ago, you're still in, even if you find Lenin better than the founder of Swedish social democracy . Aggressive left wing groups being usually treated with kiddie gloves are true without debate though.

The most extreme gender role radicalism is about letting the child developing on their own, without outside gender influence (it might be stronger radicalism, but they aren't in the media). This is of course interpretated as trying to completly wipe out any gender difference, while the end result if perfectly done (probably impossible), would show the natural differenences and the overlap. This is very rare.

Unfortunately the people with an IQ around 100 are the ones reading these newspapers and form their opinions based on it. Sweden's most sold newspaper is the avid defender of these very same principles. I might also mention that these very same people get to vote.

[Pannonian]

Wow. The longest thread title I've ever written. It says "teacher" because there are character restrictions.


Aaaaanyways...

http://www.wpix.com/news/wpix-god-bl...,7467477.story


This is just absurd. I don't understand the hate. The principal decided not to play God Bless America. What's wrong with that? And if someone has a problem, no need to insult the person. Don't hate the criminal, hate the crime. But this isn't even a crime.


Thoughts?

If you're having trouble with character restrictions, you could omit the unnecessary and incorrect apostrophe in "get's". That gets (sic) you an extra character.