Womans' children taken into care because of her political beliefs.

[HoreTore]

Rather like your current argument.

The point is not so much that she may or may not be an unfit mother - it is that other manifestly worse parents get to keep their kids.

I also know that from people who have been on the educator's side of the table. Plus - the child will go into care, which is unlikely to be better unless the mother is genuinely abusive.

Yes, the main problem with child services is that too many abusive parents get to keep on abusing their kids.

How that is an argument in favour of letting yet another abusive parent continue abusing kids, is quite beyond me.

The case as I see it: the child services believe the mother is unfit, and that the children will be damaged should they reside with her in her current situation. So, they have decided to intervene. That decision is not one taken lightly, and I have no reason to second-guess them when they finally intervene. The rubbish about snatching kids from political opponents is something I disregard completely as utter nonsense. Child services do not work that way, and you have to be quite conspiratorial to believe it works that way. The mother is making desperate accusations, and as there is no evidence at all, it should be disregarded.

[Goofball]

I have to go with HoreTore on this one. I justy Googled the EDL and they appear to be a nasty bunch of racists who believe that violence and intimidation are valid tactics to achieve political and social goals. I have a feeling that there is much more to the story than we are being told, and probably never will be told, as the government must respect privacy rules and can't come out and say "We took her kids away because on four out of five visits to her home we found her doing meth while having sex with multiple ex-convicts," even if it is the truth.

[InsaneApache]

So, I advocate we remove all the children of socialists and castrate their dads.

After all they've killed more in their pursuit of power than anybody else.

Does that work for you?

[HoreTore]

I have to go with HoreTore on this one. I justy Googled the EDL and they appear to be a nasty bunch of racists who believe that violence and intimidation are valid tactics to achieve political and social goals. I have a feeling that there is much more to the story than we are being told, and probably never will be told, as the government must respect privacy rules and can't come out and say "We took her kids away because on four out of five visits to her home we found her doing meth while having sex with multiple ex-convicts," even if it is the truth.

I feel like clarifying one thing: I of course do not in any way support taking kids because of extreme political beliefs(unless those beliefs pose a significant danger to the kid of course, like a suicide sect, but that's so rare it has no meaning). The reason I support the social workers here, is simple: I put no weight at all on the story that her EDL-affiliation is the cause of this. I see it as complete rubbish. So, I believe the social workers had valid grounds for aking her kids.

As for MP-support, well, people can be manipulated. There have been lots of cases where "upstanding citizens" have been duped into supporting very bad cases. Thus, I put no real weight on that either.

@IA: my first paragraph should answer your last post.

[Goofball]

I feel like clarifying one thing: I of course do not in any way support taking kids because of extreme political beliefs(unless those beliefs pose a significant danger to the kid of course, like a suicide sect, but that's so rare it has no meaning). The reason I support the social workers here, is simple: I put no weight at all on the story that her EDL-affiliation is the cause of this. I see it as complete rubbish. So, I believe the social workers had valid grounds for aking her kids.

I'll clarify as well: I also disagree with taking peoples' children away because of political beliefs. My point was that if she was so misguided as to be a part of something like the EDL, to me that demonstrates a lack of good judgment that has likely led to poor parenting decisions which have proved to be valid reasons for removing her children.

[InsaneApache]

@ Goofball so you wikied the EDL. All that means is that you have read what the contributors ahve written.

AFAIK the EDL is a response by ordinary white working class Britons that they have had enough. I've heard it for years. Also I don't blame them.

I'm lucky.

[HoreTore]

@ Goofball so you wikied the EDL. All that means is that you have read what the contributors ahve written.

AFAIK the EDL is a response by ordinary white working class Britons that they have had enough. I've heard it for years. Also I don't blame them.

I'm lucky.

The EDL was founded by the Luton hooligan group. The entire world has had enough of those guys. Never before has any group of Britons worked so tirelessly to destroy Englands reputation.

Edit: except Millwall, I suppose...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I'll clarify as well: I also disagree with taking peoples' children away because of political beliefs. My point was that if she was so misguided as to be a part of something like the EDL, to me that demonstrates a lack of good judgment that has likely led to poor parenting decisions which have proved to be valid reasons for removing her children.

IA have to agree with IA, as nasty as the EDL is its support is a result of the white poor and working classes being abandoned, and assumed to be racists by the chattering classes (who bash Muslims plenty themselves).

People in this country are angry, even if they work hard their lives will still suck and if the higher-ups are going to spit on them for being racists they might as well live up to the label.