Gyms Banning Fit People!

[PanzerJaeger]

http://http://sacramento.cbslocal.co...lients-to-fost


First of all, awesome. I only want to see good looking people when I work out. Fat people can go be fat somewhere else.

Second, if businesses can discriminate based on body features, can that be extended to things like hair type?

Also, where can I sign up to join the National Association To Advance Fat Acceptance?

[HoreTore]

Fat acceptance?

I'd rather say this is about creating a place where self-conscious fat guys can try to lose weight...

I support things like this only on a case by case basis, not by principle. This one sounds like a good idea, even thiugh I can't open the article for some reason.

[Lemur]

You link, she is broken, I give you good one here.

[PanzerJaeger]

Fat acceptance?

I'd rather say this is about creating a place where self-conscious fat guys can try to lose weight...

I support things like this only on a case by case basis, not by principle. This one sounds like a good idea, even thiugh I can't open the article for some reason.

iPad posting still gives me trouble:

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/...eight-patrons/

Edit: Beat me to it, Lemur...

[HoreTore]

iPad posting still gives me trouble:

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/...eight-patrons/

Edit: Beat me to it, Lemur...

Well, there's a gym here that caters to bodybuilders, and I'm quite okay with that...

[PanzerJaeger]

Well, there's a gym here that caters to bodybuilders, and I'm quite okay with that...

What about a gym catering to people with blonde hair?

[HoreTore]

What about a gym catering to people with blonde hair?

Now you're venturing into bizarroland, and you know it

As I said, I'm not a fan of riding principles in these cases, it must be judged on a case by case basis. If this gym means that more overweight people start excercising, then I see it as a good thing.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

http://http://sacramento.cbslocal.co...lients-to-fost


First of all, awesome. I only want to see good looking people when I work out. Fat people can go be fat somewhere else.

Second, if businesses can discriminate based on body features, can that be extended to things like hair type?

Also, where can I sign up to join the National Association To Advance Fat Acceptance?

The concept is a fail - that thin guy is there to show you how hard you have to work to be like him, likewise the body builder with boobs is there to show you that roids and weights are bad.

If you are surrounded by fat people you will be disinclined to work as hard, and you will have the absurd situation that you may eventually be banned from your GYM for using it.

[Montmorency]

This is actually standard procedure for authoritarian governments, more or less.

[HoreTore]

This is actually standard procedure for authoritarian governments, more or less.

Hmm? It's standard procedure for authoritarian governements not to intervene with how private companies are run...?

[PanzerJaeger]

Now you're venturing into bizarroland, and you know it

I know. I'm trying to pry a backroom debate out of what probably should have been a frontroom topic.

and you will have the absurd situation that you may eventually be banned from your GYM for using it.

Hah! Consider it a graduation of sorts.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Reading the article, it seems this could be about gyms specifically catering fat women? At any rate the fat acceptance spokeswoman seems to think so?

Q1: how does this even make business sense?
Q2: how is this even different from women only gyms?
Q3: could someone please explain why anyone would prefer to go the gym over, say, joining a club for some team sport ?

[Montmorency]

Hmm? It's standard procedure for authoritarian governements not to intervene with how private companies are run...?

No, the gym.

It's a hamster wheel.

The environment encourages vanity and complacency. This creates stagnation. Those few who rise above are thus -

and you will have the absurd situation that you may eventually be banned from your GYM for using it.

- removed by their own success.

The membership fees keep flowing in.

It's brilliant. I like it.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Reading the article, it seems this could be about gyms specifically catering fat women? At any rate the fat acceptance spokeswoman seems to think so?

Q1: why does this even make business sense?
Q2: how is this even different from women only gyms?
Q3: can anybody explain to me why anyone would prefer to go the gym over, say, joining a club for some team sport ?

People go to the GYM to feel good about "exercising", put the treadmill on 4 mph, do it for 20 minutes, work up a sweat and feel like you accomplished something.

As opposed to what I did today - go running cross country and on roads for half an hour in light rain, come back do a few dozen sittups, some pressups etc.

Yeah... I'm not as fit as I used to be, but unlike people who go to the GYM I'm trying to do something about it.

[HoreTore]

Reading the article, it seems this could be about gyms specifically catering fat women? At any rate the fat acceptance spokeswoman seems to think so?

Q1: how does this even make business sense?
Q2: how is this even different from women only gyms?
Q3: could someone please explain why anyone would prefer to go the gym over, say, joining a club for some team sport ?

Q1: that remains to be seen. I think there's a potential for it. Anyway, if it doesn't make sense, the problem will disappear on its own due to bankruptcy. However, as thearticle suggest its a growing trend, there seems to be value in it.
Q2: it's not.
Q3: well, firstly because they might not enjoy team sports. Secondly, a gym let's you excercise just the muscles you want, when you want. Playing football, for example, you don't build much upper body, so you'd have to hit the gym for that. Then you have those with sports injuries, of course. As for myself, I go to the gym to work out. I play football for fun, I have no fitness angle when playing football.

[PanzerJaeger]

The gym is what you make of it. All the tools for success are there for a number of fitness goals. You have to have the knowledge to use them correctly and the dedication to use them consistently, though.

[HoreTore]

The gym is what you make of it. All the tools for success are there for a number of fitness goals. You have to have the knowledge to use them correctly and the dedication to use them consistently, though.

Agreed completely.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Q1: that remains to be seen. I think there's a potential for it. Anyway, if it doesn't make sense, the problem will disappear on its own due to bankruptcy. However, as thearticle suggest its a growing trend, there seems to be value in it.

There seems to be, but from the article it's also clear that this market segment is reluctant to make the purchase (i.e. actually go to the gym). I can see how they might appreciate being among fat people when they exercise, but I don't see why your average gym cannot have a "fat people day" or something (and that would then "cover" the market). Unless there's something about Canada/USA that I don't know which makes the market by value a lot bigger than it would seem to me?

Q2: it's not.

Also, it is apparently not frowned upon.

Q3: well, firstly because they might not enjoy team sports. Secondly, a gym let's you excercise just the muscles you want, when you want. Playing football, for example, you don't build much upper body, so you'd have to hit the gym for that. Then you have those with sports injuries, of course. As for myself, I go to the gym to work out. I play football for fun, I have no fitness angle when playing football.

Yeah but that was a trick question. I just don't get the "I don't like team sports but I do love the thread mill" vibe if you know what I mean? Anyway if you want to stay fit Philip's approach is far superior than the gym for the simple reason that it is outdoors.

[HoreTore]

Yeah but that was a trick question. I just don't get the "I don't like team sports but I do love the thread mill" vibe if you know what I mean? Anyway if you want to stay fit Philip's approach is far superior than the gym for the simple reason that it is outdoors.

To each his own.

Personally I don't do condition training, so.... And yeah, training with weights is a lot more effective than pushups.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

To each his own.

Personally I don't do condition training, so.... And yeah, training with weights is a lot more effective than pushups.

GYM fit.

Gyms are not only for getting into shape, but for maintaining that shape once you get it. Its absurd to deny fit people entry unless it is specifically some kind of 'Fix your Fatness' program.

The whole thing seems absurd.

Personally, I don't even go to the gym. I do push-ups, pull-ups, and other machines-not-required exercises in my home; then I go for a run around the neighborhood.

Army fit.

Like Cube, I do pushups, sittups, I would do pullups but as I discovered today my arm and shoulders muscles are badly out of condition. The point about that is, I know I my arms cannot currently lift my own body weight by main force alone, if I put 140lb on a machine I could probably do a couple of reps, pull some muscles, and believe that in a pinch I could pull myself over a wall.

Instead, I know I need to do some serious work to get back to the peak condition I had at 21, when I could fairly bounce over a six foot wall.

Funny story that, I was 18 first time I did it. Military Cadets, being kids, tend to need a leg up but the senior cadets are expected to do the six foot wall by themselves, or at least attempt it. I took my run up, jumped, and suddenly discovered that instead of hanging onto the wall bby my fingertips I had managed to get both forearms up there - I was so stunned I spent several seconds just looking left and right - until the drill seargent screamed at me.

Ah - I wish I hadn't busted my ankle, I could have gone Green.

*Goes to happy place with sharply ironed uniforms, shiny boots, and automatic weapons.*

[HoreTore]

Bah, I started going to the gym when I was in the army, and has stayed at it since.

And as I've said previously, each to his own.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I wouldn't call it 'army' fit. I never saw more gym-bound muscle-heads anywhere in my life than in the Army. To be perfectly honest raw strength is more useful than anything else in combat, because really heavy things (and people) often need to be moved quickly.

Thankfully, I'm a civilian, and I work out to look good more than anything else. Which means its all about conditioning for me.

Pull-ups, by the way, are the greatest exercise in the world. You'll start off barely able to do one, but once all those muscles start getting stronger (because pull-ups work out a ton of different muscles) you'll be doing dozens before you know it. A little door-hanging pull-up bar is one of the best investments you can make.

To be fair - I'm probably talking more historically now - though even today the average British squaddy is not that big - it's quite extraordinary when you think about it, those guys are fit, sure, but there isn't an ounce of extra fat or muscle.

Which I suppose makes sense.

[Xiahou]

It's a fitness club. I really don't care what criteria they set for membership. If it's a good business model for them- go for it.

[Centurion1]

Fat people are the bane of my existence. I do not like them and I do not make any sort of concessions for them.

This is stupidity incarnate. I am sick of fat people fighting for their "rights"; It disgusts me. I say we encourage the populace to humiliate them. It is good for the government and good for the individuals themselves physically.

/rant

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Yeah, the US Army has a serious body-building culture, moreso in recent years. This is helped by the US Army Combatives programs being strongholds of MMA goodness, I think.

OT: I expect it has to do with the current American culture of strongpoints and giving people lots of body armour. If the Taleban were good shots you'd soon see American soldiers dropping the armour and the excess muscle in favour of being able to move from cover to cover more quickly. Likewise, the US is the most mechanised army in the world, which is fine for counter insurgency but would not serve them quite so well in the Jungle, or even European forests.

Of course, other nations have gone this way too - but the US definately led the way.

Fat people are the bane of my existence. I do not like them and I do not make any sort of concessions for them.

This is stupidity incarnate. I am sick of fat people fighting for their "rights"; It disgusts me. I say we encourage the populace to humiliate them. It is good for the government and good for the individuals themselves physically.

/rant

Somewhat extreme, I think, but even so I have to agree with the general thrust of the argument. Fate people are fat, they should be helped to lose weight not accomodated at the expense of everybody else.

At the end of the day you get fat by eating too much - there's nothing else to it, the rest is just psychological.

[Centurion1]

OT: I expect it has to do with the current American culture of strongpoints and giving people lots of body armour. If the Taleban were good shots you'd soon see American soldiers dropping the armour and the excess muscle in favour of being able to move from cover to cover more quickly. Likewise, the US is the most mechanised army in the world, which is fine for counter insurgency but would not serve them quite so well in the Jungle, or even European forests.

Of course, other nations have gone this way too - but the US definately led the way.



Somewhat extreme, I think, but even so I have to agree with the general thrust of the argument. Fate people are fat, they should be helped to lose weight not accomodated at the expense of everybody else.

At the end of the day you get fat by eating too much - there's nothing else to it, the rest is just psychological.

Yeah it is a little extreme but I just get sick of seeing these fats (I will be referring to them as "fats" from now on) parading around their disgusting lack of self control as some sort of disease or condition. Unless laziness has become a disease then there is no excuse. Obviously I like anyone else has fat friends. But i'm not quiet about it. IE if we start making fun of each other i'm not going to act like they have cancer and not make fun of them for it.

Fats disgust me. Maybe I'm lucky and have good genetics.... or maybe its because I work out all the time and I don't eat like a bear preparing for hibernation. Genetics certainly play a part but they can be overcome.

If your a fat and your legitimately trying to improve yourself and get better i'll be right behind you cheering you on. But if your a big lazy slob don't surprised if I look at you with disgust.

Military talk here.

Best part about the Army is the culture of fitness surrounding it. There are obviously some fats (by army standards) in my ROTC battalion but they are not looked favorably upon. They are either made fun of or somewhat shunned. I mean if you can't pass a PT test...... kill yourself. Like GC said there are a plethora of monsters with huge upper bodies. They arent as bad as your average chicken leg bodybuilders because first and foremost you have to run in the army. But yeah the Army makes everyone a fitness nut to some extent usually. (Usually not always, mind you)

[Greyblades]

It also seems to make everyone develope superiority complexes.

[Centurion1]

Well Physically I am superior to a fat. They could be smarter than me sure but I think its pretty clear that anyone who is fat is pretty low on the totem pole in regards to physical superiority.

[Greyblades]

Time to time, person to person, superiority is a matter of perspective. To an 18th century man you are inferior because your physique indicates you have make a living with hard manual labour, something that the "superior" upper class didn't have to do.

Back to my point, I take issue with your post because it was word for word useable for any type of bigotry just by replacing the word fats with poofta and negro.

[Centurion1]

Time to time, person to person, superiority is a matter of perspective. To an 18th century man you are inferior because your physique indicates you have make a living with hard manual labour, something that the "superior" upper class didn't have to do.

Back to my point, I take issue with your post because it was word for word useable for any type of bigotry just by replacing the word fats with poofta and negro.

Obviously you have taken a personal issue with this for reasons unknown to me though I could hazard a guess. Yeah and if I replace it with pedophile that works too. So I guess i'm a pedophile bigot as well. I think I can live with that.

I'm not even going to address this because of its glaring inaccuracies.

Time to time, person to person, superiority is a matter of perspective. To an 18th century man you are inferior because your physique indicates you have make a living with hard manual labour, something that the "superior" upper class didn't have to do.

there is nothing that conveys an actual superiority about being a slob and never will be.