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    Default Pressure on Hungary to prosecute Nazi war criminal Laszlo Csatary

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...o-Csatary.html

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    Default Re: Pressure on Hungary to prosecute Nazi war criminal Laszlo Csatary

    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    German actions must be looked at in context
    Strike doesn't care about historical context?

    I seem to recall what happened last time someone spoke out against historical context.
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    God Bless France taking a holier than thou attitude.

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    Default Re: Pressure on Hungary to prosecute Nazi war criminal Laszlo Csatary

    INB4 PJs usual lines of:

    There was rampant antisemitism all throughout the continent
    The Allies did bad things too
    German actions must be looked at in context
    Well, Csatary was not German, nor is there any real evidence that he was/is antisemitic. The Hungarians were under incredible pressure to accede to German demands, lest they be occupied themselves - which they eventually were. We know now how that pressure translated down through the royal police both from government and German officials, but you won't read it in the testimony of any of the post-war kangaroo courts. Context is everything, and you know if a man ends up on any Simon Wiesenthal list, it has already been thrown out the window in favor of publicity.

    I cannot wait until all these guys are finally dead, taking the The Simon Wiesenthal Centre's raison d'être with them - hunting down old men on other people's dime.
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    Default Re: Pressure on Hungary to prosecute Nazi war criminal Laszlo Csatary

    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger View Post
    Well, Csatary was not German, nor is there any real evidence that he was/is antisemitic. The Hungarians were under incredible pressure to accede to German demands, lest they be occupied themselves - which they eventually were. We know now how that pressure translated down through the royal police both from government and German officials, but you won't read it in the testimony of any of the post-war kangaroo courts. Context is everything, and you know if a man ends up on any Simon Wiesenthal list, it has already been thrown out the window.

    I cannot wait until all these guys are finally dead, taking the The Simon Wiesenthal Centre's raison d'être with them - hunting down old men on other people's dime.
    The same goes for the police officers who arrested the jews here, but I don't see much reason to exonerate them on that basis.
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    Default Re: Pressure on Hungary to prosecute Nazi war criminal Laszlo Csatary

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    The same goes for the police officers who arrested the jews here, but I don't see much reason to exonerate them on that basis.
    You don't

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    God Bless France taking a holier than thou attitude.

    When it comes to nazis, anyone who isnt stalin, pol pot, the kim family or Vuk can rightfully claim a holier than thou attitude.
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    Default Re: Pressure on Hungary to prosecute Nazi war criminal Laszlo Csatary

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    Strike doesn't care about historical context?

    I seem to recall what happened last time someone spoke out against historical context.
    It was morally wrong then too genius.

    Strike wins!

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    Default Re: Pressure on Hungary to prosecute Nazi war criminal Laszlo Csatary

    Well...

    We are all the children of our time. Being a good citizen in nazi germany meant being a jew-hating racist.

    Does that mean we should stop bringing those who murdered to justice? Not in any way.

    But as usual, I'm not a big fan of punishment... The most important thing for me, is that the truth is established. We need to find out what he did, and we as a society(through the courts) need to make it crystal clear that it is not acceptable. I believe that can be done without so much punishment, but I know I am quite in the minority on that. So, punish away!
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    Default Re: Pressure on Hungary to prosecute Nazi war criminal Laszlo Csatary

    He will be dead very soon why bother.

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    Default Re: Pressure on Hungary to prosecute Nazi war criminal Laszlo Csatary

    Quote Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name View Post
    Strike doesn't care about historical context?

    I seem to recall what happened last time someone spoke out against historical context.
    I understand why it happened. Just like I understand why the trial of tears happened. It does not make it any more moral.

    You also underestimate a childhood filled with John Wayne movies and a strong anti German sentiment. You know how Churchill had a hard on for America? My family had a hard on for the UK just as bad.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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