There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Do you have anything to do besides post on an internet forum and have an inflated opinion of yourself?
Despite being Catholic this disgusts me as much as it does everyone else. It enrages me because it is so unethical and evil. In a way the child molestation bothers me less because I know that priests are not and never will be infllible and disgusting pieces of crap will always find a way in like any other profession. What disgusts me on a deeper level is that people will allow them to get away with it ala Joe Paterno sinc I can never imagine doing that even for the closest of friends or family.
I've been reading the bishops accountability website.
They have a section called "Files of the Bishops", where you can read internal documents of the church, discussing priests under suspicion of child abuse.
Quite disturbing stuff.
And I also dream of the day when other faiths come under the same scrutiny as the catholic church. I'm quite sure they're not alone, I bet you'll find much of the same with the lutherans, jews, muslims, etc.
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Other religions are more tolerant of allowing priests to marry.
The Catholic Church clearly places the whole edifice as dictated by Go whereas some other religions do not place the edifice in such high regard. Repeated hiding the fact is almost as bad as doing it. They are off to hell, I think we should expidite the journey.
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That's true, and you can make a case that this will cause more sexual abuse in the catholic church.
When it comes to covering it up, however, the other religions have the same reasons for doing it as the catholics. It's fair to assume that abuse has taken place in other religions as well, and so it's a fair assumption that they have also covered it up.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
I missed this.
You know what, you're right!
http://nehandaradio.com/2011/12/09/a...g-13-year-old/
Look how bad the Africans are at covering these things up!
They're giving the Anglican Illuminati a bad name!
It took less than 60 seconds to find that.
Want to bet I can dig up the last few cases in the UK where the priest was caught, and not 20 years later?
This problem exists in ALL "respected" professions, including education. The current strenuous efforts to keep covering it up are, however, peculiar to one Church.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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Low, he moves from reasonable to baiting, and it took fifteen posts!
Kudos, remarkable restraint.
Now, learn some theology:
All Sin is equal in the eyes of God, and the Roman Church teaches that is is sinful for priests who have taken a vow of celibacy to engage in sexual relations. That's it, end of statement. The position has since been nuanced but until quite recently masturbation, consensual sex with a woman you love, homosexuality, and child rape were not properly differentiated in the confessional.
When all sexual desire becomes illicit, then all sexual acts are taboo and breaking one taboo is the same as breaking all of them.
The solution is allowing priests to marry, and if you don't agree with homosexuality you then CANNOT allow homosexuals to become priests.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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A Priest having sex with males does not make him homosexual. It was just a thang, baby.
Baby Quit Your Cryin' Put Your Clown Britches On!!!
Are you sure that's doctrine? Sounds wonky to me.
So if I'm rude to my mom, that's exactly as sinful to God as if ethnically cleanse an entire nation?
Or if I take the Lord's name in vain after hitting my head, that's exactly as bad in God's eyes as if I create a rape camp?
I have a feeling there's more to Catholic doctrine than you're letting on.
Yes
People get confused because of Purgatory, but that's just punishment - eventually you get into heaven, it's a forgone conclusion.
Sin is disobedience to God - all Sin, any Sin, sends you straight to Hell unless you repent.
Christianity is a harsh religion.
MRD's question is apt, because such issues have been raised.
The answer, FYI, is probably Thursday for Catholics and Saturday or really early Sunday morning for Protestants.
"If it wears trousers generally I don't pay attention."
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That is a completely asinine line of thought. Do you think every German citizen should have been put on trial for their leaders actions in WW2? Should you be put to death for the atrocities that the dutch visited upon the natives of the Congo and Indonesia since you were a member of the same nation as those men? Should you be denigrated and stand before a court for your soldiers actions at Srebrenica? They are also citizens of the Netherlands?
I think you know how foolish what you said was, I also think you don't care because you hate religion so much.
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Maybe the church will reconsider some of the inappropriate alter boy outfits they have these boys wear. If you consider both sides of the story, some might argue that the victims were asking for it. The best outfit I think for alter boys to wear in the future in order to turn-off priests from assaulting them is perhaps something that makes the boy look like a female.
Baby Quit Your Cryin' Put Your Clown Britches On!!!
No.
Coming out against child molestation. So brave.Despite being Catholic this disgusts me as much as it does everyone else. It enrages me because it is so unethical and evil. In a way the child molestation bothers me less because I know that priests are not and never will be infllible and disgusting pieces of crap will always find a way in like any other profession. What disgusts me on a deeper level is that people will allow them to get away with it ala Joe Paterno sinc I can never imagine doing that even for the closest of friends or family.The Belgians were in the Congo, not the Dutch.
That is a completely asinine line of thought. Do you think every German citizen should have been put on trial for their leaders actions in WW2? Should you be put to death for the atrocities that the dutch visited upon the natives of the Congo and Indonesia since you were a member of the same nation as those men? Should you be denigrated and stand before a court for your soldiers actions at Srebrenica? They are also citizens of the Netherlands?
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There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
The horizon is nothing save the limit of our sight.
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