Butthole Bandits 7 and a throwback to Jim Crowe

[Lemur]

One could say that, except that is the Democrats who actively pass legislation to make it easier for fraudulent votes to be cast.

You do not give the impression of having read anything in this thread.

The most common and documented avenues for vote fraud are mail-in ballots. The most prosecuted cases are for ... mail in ballots. If you can point to where either the Dems or the Repubs have done jack squat about this, either to protect the franchise or enable bad people to do bad things, put up a source, please. Oh, and there's some reasonable suspicion that there has been a level of hanky-panky with electronic vote tallies, especially the ones where there is no paper trail. This should be surprising to people missing most of their brains, and housecats. Again, show me where the Dems or Repubs are doing anything to address paperless, insecure e-voting on any level.

But I suppose you're imagining large busloads of illegals, lesbians, hippies, and brown people being taken to polls and bribed to vote with the promise of free abortions. Sound about right?

[Fisherking]

Yes, unverified mail in ballots are some of the main tools in vote fraud.

I do have a problem with bringing in non citizens to vote and a complete lack of verification of eligibility in the registration process.

So why do you stoop to attempting to imply racial bigotry or some class prejudice in your end statement.

I think that was rather small and mean spirited of you.

Are you really so narrow minded that you think those who disagree with your mind set must have something wrong with them?

[Lemur]

Yes, unverified mail in ballots are some of the main tools in vote fraud.

Well, if we're going to live in an "evidence" based universe, they appear to be the primary tool for vote fraud. Which makes your next sentence a bit of a doozy ...

I do have a problem with bringing in non citizens to vote and a complete lack of verification of eligibility in the registration process.

And here you go off the rails. Read the thread. Look at the number of in-person vote fraud cases alleged. Note how incredibly rare in-person vote fraud is. Think like an enterprising criminal for two consecutive seconds, and consider how you would go about stuffing a ballot box. I know you heard an angry white guy ranting about this on Fox News, but seriously, think for yourself for a moment.

So why do you stoop to attempting to imply racial bigotry or some class prejudice in your end statement.

Because short of hating the "other," and perhaps repeating what you heard on Rush, I can't imagine why you would make willfully ignorant points that ignore the preponderance of evidence.

Are you really so narrow minded that you think those who disagree with your mind set must have something wrong with them?

I'm fine with disagreement, as you well know. But in the information age, ignorance is a deliberate choice. And if you persist in mendaciously equating the documented and on-record series of vote fraud cases brought against Repubs (and Repub operators) with this nebulous Dem machine that buses people in and "passes laws that make vote fraud possible" (a sentence begging for some back-up if ever I met one) then I'm going to call you out.

Note that I do not suspect either the Repubs or the Dems of acting in good faith. I don't know how many times I have to say it, but either group would kill adorable puppies and offer their bloody hearts to Satan if they thought it would help them win.

But—and this is important—the Dems strategy lies in making it easier for folks to vote in-person, while the Repubs rely on voter suppression. This is a seriously important distinction, and there's plenty of examples to back it up. And—this is SUPER important—neither has made any move at all to address mail-in ballots. So what does this tell us?

That neither group gives a bleeding monkey rectum about vote fraud. It's all kabuki theater. And by repeating the Fox News points, without bothering to source or back up anything at all, or respond to a single in-thread idea, you open your argument up for ridicule.

[Fisherking]

You are off the chart over the top Lemur. Your assumptions are grossly wrong.

My news is much more filtered than that. Rush is not on in Europe but we do have news. Don’t have Fox news either. If it makes it through the spam filters here, I can usually figure there is at least some basis in fact. The only English language news stations we get are CNN International and MSNBC, so I assure you I am not subject to any right wing propaganda, just the left wing verity.

Most of the mail in ballot fraud are not even mailed in…just filled out by corrupt poll workers who are supposed to oversee the process.

But voter turnout drives in prisons and refugee communities is what I have a problem with.

Of course my Google is not the same as yours so there may be some things missed on one end or the other. The web is somewhat unequal in that regard.

I have no problem with making it easier to vote to a point. Once they go so far as to make even ID requirements an issue it has gone beyond that.

And yes both parties are corrupt and I don’t go any easier on the Rs than the Ds. The Rs just tend to be more incompetent on so many levels that they are often laughable and not a real threat.

[Lemur]

But voter turnout drives in prisons and refugee communities is what I have a problem with.

Needs citation, as the wiki folks say. The biggest issue with prisoners, from what I have read, is that they are systematically denied the franchise after they've served their time. Which strikes this Lemur as a terrible idea. In theory, we want to re-integrate as many of them as possible back into society. Doing things like making it impossible for them to vote and/or get meaningful jobs is wildly counter-productive.

I have no problem with making it easier to vote to a point. Once they go so far as to make even ID requirements an issue it has gone beyond that.

Then address the poll tax issue that has been raised repeatedly in-thread.

[Fisherking]

Poll tax has only one function, to discourage voting. There should be no taxes or fees when exercising ones rights.

Its origins was racially motivated just as were the literacy tests.


As to prisoners;
Many states remove their rights permanently if convicted of a felony. I am not saying it is right, only the law. And one often circumvented.

Personally I would agree that their right should be reinstated once they have served their time, if it is actually a corrections process. But they use even flimsier excuses to deprive people of their second amendment rights, don’t they? But I guess that is another thread.

[Lemur]

Poll tax has only one function, to discourage voting. There should be no taxes or fees when exercising ones rights.

Okay, but the most common form of ID in the USA (the driver's license) can cost as much as $80, depending on state.

Most states do not make the alternative State ID free. Those that do, for impoverished residents, often do not tell anyone about the free ID option, or systematically lie about it at the DMV offices.

Requiring an ID for in-person voting is a fine idea ... if you iron out the hi-jinks that turn it into a poll tax.

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And as I keep repeating, this is a great deal of heat and noise over an aspect of vote fraud that is demonstrably miniscule. Nobody in their right mind is trying to sway elections with fraudulent in-person voting. The people who tried to prove how easy in-person vote fraud was in 2012 are now on their way to prison.

Mail-in ballots and paperless vote machines are the two clear, obvious, logical, and documented ways to stuff a ballot box. All of this attention to in-person vote fraud is ... I dunno, man, "stupid" is the word that comes to mind. It's as though your car is on fire and all you can worry about is re-organizing your glove box to make it tidy.

Many states remove their rights permanently if convicted of a felony. I am not saying it is right, only the law. And one often circumvented.

Needs citation, friend. Again, the most commonly documented problem with purging felons from the rolls (in states such as Florida) is not that the prisoners wind up voting anyway. Can you guess what the actual problem is? I will give you a shiny nickel if you can name it before clicking on this link.