What can YOU do to help defeat communism?

**Sarmatian** · 08-03-2012, 21:43

Originally Posted by Ironside

I'm saying American. Some of the stuff shows that he's not particulary familiar with Swedish politics, and he's been talking about Obama and Jesus (Sweden is extremely secular). Odd usage of communist and satanism. Mixing zionism and left wing policies (the Swedish left is quite aggressive against zionism). That's one reason why I haven't been linking stuff that much. Most about Sweden is in Swedish.

And Sweden is also a communist country so he couldn't be from there.

Originally Posted by truth1337

Communism was founded by Mordechai Levy (aka Marx) and Moses Hess. Marx admitted he was a satanist numerous times, most well-known is the following quotation:
"Thus Heaven I've forfeited,
I know it full well,
My soul, once true to God,
Is chosen for hell."

How can someone who totally negates the existence of God and anything God-related be a satanist?

**truth1337** · 08-03-2012, 21:57

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

How can someone who totally negates the existence of God and anything God-related be a satanist?

A good point. The simple answer is that satanism can be many things, anything from leading people away from Christ towards atheism, to being in general a worshipper of evil and of doing everything the opposite of what is normal, to hatred for nature, to actually worshipping the devil. Laveyan satanism didn't exist at that time, but it is more about neo-paganism with indulgence and a superficial lifestyle, using the word satanism mainly to provoke. Marx falls into the first category obviously, the second possibly, and the third certainly. The fourth his quote implies but it could be "mere poetry". The fifth, no, since Laveyan satanism didn't exist at that time.

Moreover, if you think communists always mean what they say, then you are certainly naive! What other ideologies do you have such endless trust for, that you would believe everything they said? Judging from the massmurder of 60 million people and enslaving the rest under cattle-like conditions, they didn't really live up to their promise of being "for worker's rights" as they claimed in the USSR, did they?

**Sarmatian** · 08-04-2012, 00:46

Originally Posted by truth1337

A good point. The simple answer is that satanism can be many things, anything from leading people away from Christ towards atheism, to being in general a worshipper of evil and of doing everything the opposite of what is normal, to hatred for nature, to actually worshipping the devil. Laveyan satanism didn't exist at that time, but it is more about neo-paganism with indulgence and a superficial lifestyle, using the word satanism mainly to provoke. Marx falls into the first category obviously, the second possibly, and the third certainly. The fourth his quote implies but it could be "mere poetry". The fifth, no, since Laveyan satanism didn't exist at that time.

So, basically, every atheist is a satanist?

And that's easy compared to next question - what is normal?

Moreover, if you think communists always mean what they say, then you are certainly naive! What other ideologies do you have such endless trust for, that you would believe everything they said? Judging from the massmurder of 60 million people and enslaving the rest under cattle-like conditions, they didn't really live up to their promise of being "for worker's rights" as they claimed in the USSR, did they?

I don't believe that politicians ever mean what they say, communist or not. And don't go into 60 million people and cattle like conditions. It always ends badly.

**Memnon** · 08-04-2012, 01:10

That is not what a satanist is, you cannot make up a definition of satanism and use it to insult people in that way. So let's just say for argument's sake I was a monk who lived in practical isolation, living a life clean of any impurities (drug-related, sexual, or otherwise) and had never harmed another living thing in my life, but I took on a student and did not teach him about the teachings of Jesus Christ. Would that make me a satanist? I realize that's a horrible argument, but so is making up your own definition for a very controversial and well-discussed word such as satanist.

I've known a few satanists, not those who sacrifice virgins to create the Antichrist, but the ones that just live their lives the way they want to and let others do the same. Guess what, they were all better people than the fundies I've known.

**truth1337** · 08-04-2012, 07:08

Originally Posted by Memnon

That is not what a satanist is, you cannot make up a definition of satanism and use it to insult people in that way. So let's just say for argument's sake I was a monk who lived in practical isolation, living a life clean of any impurities (drug-related, sexual, or otherwise) and had never harmed another living thing in my life, but I took on a student and did not teach him about the teachings of Jesus Christ. Would that make me a satanist? I realize that's a horrible argument, but so is making up your own definition for a very controversial and well-discussed word such as satanist.

I've known a few satanists, not those who sacrifice virgins to create the Antichrist, but the ones that just live their lives the way they want to and let others do the same. Guess what, they were all better people than the fundies I've known.

I was once a satanist myself, so I know what I'm talking about. Secondly, I admitted and clarified my poor phrasing (due to late time of the day!) in the post just above this one. Not teaching about Christ is not satanism. Actively leading people away from Christ, isn't satanism. But compulsively wanting to destroy nature and God, being almost scared of the existence of natural things, and always wanting to turn everything natural as unnatural as possible, is satanism - because it is hatred for nature slash God.

**truth1337** · 08-04-2012, 07:06

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

So, basically, every atheist is a satanist?

Another good point out of my slightly careless phrasing. The answer is of course no. Leading people away from God slash nature, towards unnatural things, can be seen as satanic only if it is combined with a compulsive belief that nature or God is evil and must be destroyed or changed beyond recognizeability.

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

I don't believe that politicians ever mean what they say, communist or not. And don't go into 60 million people and cattle like conditions. It always ends badly.

Great! I hope you are vigilant and be sure to learn of concepts such as the Hegel dialectic and false flag attacks, which are often used to bring about such conditions where massmurder is possible.

**Sarmatian** · 08-04-2012, 20:52

Originally Posted by truth1337

Another good point out of my slightly careless phrasing. The answer is of course no. Leading people away from God slash nature, towards unnatural things, can be seen as satanic only if it is combined with a compulsive belief that nature or God is evil and must be destroyed or changed beyond recognizeability.

Why do you equate God with nature?

Great! I hope you are vigilant and be sure to learn of concepts such as the Hegel dialectic and false flag attacks, which are often used to bring about such conditions where massmurder is possible.

Mass murders weren't exclusive to communism.

Considering cattle like conditions, at the moment I'd very much like to trade my piss-poor, almost-starving paradise-like democratic conditions for a car, nice house, two holidays a year, free health care and free education cattle-like communist conditions.

**truth1337** · 08-04-2012, 21:39

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Why do you equate God with nature?

Because that is what makes it easiest to understand what he is. He is everything that exists. That which is true, is God. The main difference, is that God is also a force that makes sure evil will always be defeated by those of pure heart.

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Considering cattle like conditions, at the moment I'd very much like to trade my piss-poor, almost-starving paradise-like democratic conditions for a car, nice house, two holidays a year, free health care and free education cattle-like communist conditions.

Which communist dictatorship would give you that? The USSR, or North Korea, or Turkmenistan, or Burma, or Cambodia?

**Sarmatian** · 08-04-2012, 22:43

Originally Posted by truth1337

Because that is what makes it easiest to understand what he is. He is everything that exists. That which is true, is God. The main difference, is that God is also a force that makes sure evil will always be defeated by those of pure heart.

Well said. Throw in "he's got them" and you can invade Iraq or alternatively "world peace" and you can become Miss America.

Which communist dictatorship would give you that? The USSR, or North Korea, or Turkmenistan, or Burma, or Cambodia?

I was mostly thinking Yugoslavia.