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    "Gaming laptops" are pretty much the definition of wasting your time and money. Laptop parts are cut down versions of their desktop counter parts not simply because of price but also because of TDP constraints: laptop cooling is usually not up to the job of handling a i5-2500k CPU for example...

    Paying top dollar for the latest top of the line GPU is a sensible investment by comparison, at least that card will retain value two or three years down the line.

    Consumer laptops do not. They wear out too quickly, and even modest tech improvements render them obsolete as high end machines fairly quickly too. Expect them to last perhaps 2-3 years before either components start to break down or they are simply outdated. (Business laptops can last longer but only through the magic of depreciation and bunging old kit at those who are lower on the tech totem pole.)

    So with that in mind the smart thing to do is buy a reasonable mid range to high end laptop and stick in a SSD. You will have money and options left to be picky about things like screens, a quality headphone or extra batteries. A good SSD (Intel, Samsung) should be reliable enough to survive fairly heavy use and last you a couple of laptop upgrades. Then ditch the laptop later but keep the SSD.

    If you do have lots of money to burn you could get yourself a mobile workstation (Dell makes those, for example) but then you should know this: that is not a laptop, just a small-ish desktop with a screen attached which so happens to look a bit like a laptop and has a limited capacity to let you save your work when there's a power outage. Unlike the Sagers, however those machines will last a bit longer and will provide a lot more oomph and probably produce more noise as well.
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    Well, TA, It's good to have an opinion, but my life circumstances are such that I need to travel a lot (real travel, with more time in airports than i care to remember), and I like playing videogames. So carrying around a 19' monster is not an option. While I agree gaming laptops are not the most efficient way to spending money, and I definitely do not need the boy-racer bells and whistles the likes of Alienware provide, unless someone can pack a GPU into an ipad and make ipad versions of TW and Max Payne, I dont have much choice.

    More constructevely, I'm stuck between these:

    1 MSI GT60 0NE-220US Gaming Laptops - $2,093.00
    15.6" Full HD (1920x1080) LED Matte Widescreen LCD
    nVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M 256bit w/4.0GB GDDR5
    Intel® Core™ i7-3610QM (2.3~3.3GHz) w/6M L3 Cache - 4 Cores - 8 Threads
    IC Diamond Thermal Compound applied to CPU + GPU
    16GB (4x4GB) DDR3/1866 Dual Channel Memory - CL10
    750GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive
    2nd HDD - None
    RAID 0 Enabled
    Combo Dual Layer SuperMulti DVDRW/CDRW Drive
    Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader: SD/SDHC/SDXC/XD/MSPRO/MS/MM
    Intel® Centrino® Wireless-N 2230 Wireless Card + Bluetooth 4.0 (Single Band)
    Smart Li-ion Battery 9-Cell

    And

    Display 15.6" Full HD LED-Backlit Display with Matte Finished Surface (1920 x 1080) [$30.00]
    Video & Graphics Card AMD Radeon HD 7970M GPU with 2GB GDDR5 Video Memory [$200.00]
    CPU Processor 3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3720QM Processor ( 6MB L3 Cache, 2.60GHz) [$160.00]
    Thermal Compound IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU [$35.00]
    Operating System Genuine MS Windows® 7 Home Premium 32/64-Bit Edition( 64-Bit Preloaded )
    Memory 16GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1600MHz - 4 X 4GB
    Primary Hard Disk Drive 500GB 7200rpm SATA Hybrid Hard Drive with 4GB SSD
    mSATA SSD Drive — For Intel Smart Response Technology None
    Optical Drive Bay — Optical Drive or Hard Disk Drive in Optical Drive Bay with Caddy case 8X DVD±R/RW/4X +DL Super-Multi Drive & Software
    Wireless Network Card Internal 802.11 B+G+N Wireless LAN + Bluetooth Combo Module
    Primary Battery Smart Li-ION Battery Pack


    The MSI is a tiny bit higher spec than the Sager, but works out about 150USD pricier including shipping. Is it worth it for 250Gb of HD and the 680M instead of the AMD Radeon HD 7970M?
    Also, is there a point to RAid?
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    The second laptop looks more interesting to me. I've read reviews and benchmarks of those hybrid hard drives, and they're supposed to be wonderful. (Read through some of the user reviews here.)

    Sager built their entire rep on gaming laptops, so if forced to choose between them and a traditional manufacturer, I'd choose Sager, just because they will know my issues and concerns, and build/fix accordingly. Gamers know gamers. I would not spend a whole lot extra to get one of their machines, but in a close call? No question.

    And of course Tellos has a point, gaming laptops are not optimal ... but sometimes they are necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    The second laptop looks more interesting to me. I've read reviews and benchmarks of those hybrid hard drives, and they're supposed to be wonderful. (Read through some of the user reviews here.)

    Sager built their entire rep on gaming laptops, so if forced to choose between them and a traditional manufacturer, I'd choose Sager, just because they will know my issues and concerns, and build/fix accordingly. Gamers know gamers. I would not spend a whole lot extra to get one of their machines, but in a close call? No question.

    And of course Tellos has a point, gaming laptops are not optimal ... but sometimes they are necessary.
    What's funny about Sager is that, they charge double than anyone else to have the damn thing shipped to Europe! MSI charges 160$, and Sager 310! And in all likelihood they'll go on the same aeroplane...
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    You could just buy it from a European reseller.

    More information at http://forum.notebookreview.com/sage...fo.html#europe

    Sager laptops are re-branded Clevo models. There are numerous resellers around Europe so you might be able to find one which has the specifications you are looking for.
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    Yup, did a tiny bit of Googling, I believe this is a similar model at a UK reseller. Helpful? Speccing it out with 16 gigs of RAM, the 2.6 ghz i7, the AMD 7970M and a wicked-cool 750 gig hybrid HD, it clocks in at £1,347.00 post-VAT, or $2,111. Does that save you money?
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    Thanks Tiaexz, having trouble loading the site...

    I had looked at Clevo's site, but I must be really clumsy as I didn't find listed any european resellers... Just stuff about their manufacturing process.

    It does indeed! Danke Lemur! I'll let you know how it plays! including delivery it saves about 100$ and I get 250gb extra hybrid HD. You da man.
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