Kalashnikov Dead

[Fisherking]

Kalashnikov Dead at age 94

http://news.yahoo.com/rifle-designer...iacontentstory


What do you say about someone like this?

[Greyblades]

What do you say about someone like this?

I say: Meh.

[Fragony]

Not christmas yet? Design is stolen, the Kalashnikov is the Sturmgewehr 44 that was developed in Germany.

[Kadagar_AV]

Fragony is ofc wrong again.

Brilliant guy, hero of his nation when it mattered..

RIP

[Fragony]

Fragony is ofc wrong again.

Brilliant guy, hero of his nation when it mattered..

RIP

Nope, I am not, google will solve things very fast.

Looks familiar? http://www.efour4ever.com/sturmgewhe...ncross_920.jpg

[Sarmatian]

What do you say about someone like this?

Someone like what?

He was a weapon designer, he didn't force anyone to use them.

He had a job and he did it very well.

"Blame the Nazi Germans for making me become a gun designer," said Kalashnikov. "I always wanted to construct agricultural machinery."

Although I don't care much for gun designers and would have preferred if his inventiveness was focused on agricultural machinery.

Nope, I am not, google will solve things very fast.

Looks familiar? http://www.efour4ever.com/sturmgewhe...ncross_920.jpg

You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?

[PanzerJaeger]

Kalashnikov's AK was not all that brilliant of a design. It has only become iconic due to its patron state. The Warsaw Pact should have adopted Jiří Čermák's vz.58, but the Soviet Union never would have accepted non-Russian derived weapon system at a level so central to its propaganda efforts.

[Sarmatian]

It depends how you look at it. There were more precise rifles out there, with better range and a rate of fire but Kalash did what it supposed to do. Simplistic design, easy to maintain, easy to use, cheap, reliable, functions properly even in extreme weather conditions...

I'm not an expert on rifles by any means, vz.58 could be a better rifle than ak 74, Czechs had/have a quite good armaments industry...

[PanzerJaeger]

It depends how you look at it. There were more precise rifles out there, with better range and a rate of fire but Kalash did what it supposed to do. Simplistic design, easy to maintain, easy to use, cheap, reliable, functions properly even in extreme weather conditions...

I'm not an expert on rifles by any means, vz.58 could be a better rifle than ak 74, Czechs had/have a quite good armaments industry...

I'm not suggesting that Russia should have adopted a more advanced Western style rifle. That would not have satisfied their doctrinal requirements. What I'm saying is that the vz.58 was a better AK than the AK. It is lighter (both the gun and the mags), shorter, more reliable, more accurate, more versatile, better balanced and ergonomically superior with less recoil and last round bolt hold open. And while it does have a milled receiver, production time and cost was only slightly more.

Then explain how the MG-42 and the Walther P-38 were both put back into production as the MG-3 and Walther P-1 in the late 50's?

After the war, the US forced NATO aligned countries to adopt .308 battle rifles instead of assault rifles. It can be reasonably assumed that had the Germans gone with an assault rifle of their own design after the war, it would have been based on the STG44.

What I find interesting about the AK rifles are the more recent 100-series, AK-107 and so on, they also look very similar to their older models, come in black and seem to have mostly interior/minor improvements.

The balanced recoil system on the 100-series rifles is actually a pretty significant improvement over the earlier versions. Felt recoil is largely eliminated.

[HoreTore]

Felt recoil is largely eliminated.

Then the entire point of having 7.62 is gone...

[Fragony]

You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?

Sure I don't. What does it matter that he admitted it himself.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Sure I don't. What does it matter that he admitted it himself.

Frags:

There is at least one source claiming that he denied such. This wiki suggests that the AK-47 inherited features from the M1 Garand and the Remington 8 (an antecedent of the BAR) as well as using a gas-operated system akin to that of the STG-44, but also akin to that of the SVT-38, a soviet automatic rifle that the Germans encountered (and snatched and used against the former owners). Implying that he "stole" the design is a little silly -- when enough features/ideas are taken from different places it's called research.

[Kadagar_AV]

Now now, Seamus. It's rude to confuse Frags with this whole knowledge thingy.

[Fragony]

Frags:

There is at least one source claiming that he denied such. This wiki suggests that the AK-47 inherited features from the M1 Garand and the Remington 8 (an antecedent of the BAR) as well as using a gas-operated system akin to that of the STG-44, but also akin to that of the SVT-38, a soviet automatic rifle that the Germans encountered (and snatched and used against the former owners). Implying that he "stole" the design is a little silly -- when enough features/ideas are taken from different places it's called research.

The AK47 was build in cooperation with the Germans who made the Sturmgewehr 44. It isn't the revolutionary design people take it for. It's an evolutionary build based on the Sturmgewehr 44.

He admitted this, you know better than the man himself?

@Kadagar_AV, stop falling in love with me, I said no and I mean it. I am not into that.

[Sarmatian]

The AK47 was build in cooperation with the Germans who made the Sturmgewehr 44. It isn't the revolutionary design people take it for. It's an evolutionary build based on the Sturmgewehr 44.

He admitted this, you know better than the man himself?

Just because rifles look alike externally doesn't mean that they use same mechanisms internally. The rifle PJ mentioned, vz.58 looks almost exactly the same as AK-47 but it's totally different inside.