Graduation Gift. Beretta Px4 Storm & 200 Winchester full metal jacket rounds

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It is both target and person when you aim for it. And when talking in that context, target is the more relevant word, as you are speaking of aiming at it.
So what if I am not a soldier? What does that and your shooting a thousand rounds have to do with anything?

No, it's just a target - possibly a moving target that shoots back. Only snipers tend to shoot actual people.

What does "1000 rounds" have to do with anything?

It's not many rounds, that's the point. Soldiers' yearly number of live rounds expended is usually measured in thousands, or should be, the point is you may think you're good but you're really an amateur with no experience of combat and no combat training to speak of.

Unless you did a stint in the Green we don't know about.

[Vuk]

No, it's just a target - possibly a moving target that shoots back. Only snipers tend to shoot actual people.
What exactly does that mean?
What does "1000 rounds" have to do with anything?

It's not many rounds, that's the point. Soldiers' yearly number of live rounds expended is usually measured in thousands, or should be, the point is you may think you're good but you're really an amateur with no experience of combat and no combat training to speak of.

Unless you did a stint in the Green we don't know about.

First of all, I never said I was an expert. That said though, I burn through 2-5k .22lr for plinking every year easily. I also have went through many, many thousands of .223s and military surplus 5.56s, as well as hundreds of 8MM, and at least a thousand surplus 30-06. I've also shot hundreds of .45 ACPs, 38s, and 357s. (and that doesn't even count shotguns) I shoot a lot more than you think (well, I used to, but the last few years I have not been able to support my habit, esp since I've been buying my own ammo. I buy ammo cheap and in bulk, but it is still really expensive), and have since a very young age.
I've been shooting since I was five years old PVC, I have snapped up shots without looking through my sites and hit squirrels as they have jumped from tree to tree. I'm never claimed to be an expert, but I am fast, I am accurate (both at aiming at medium-long ranges and point shooting within 50m), and I know my limitations. I don't have to have served in the military to be good with guns and to know what I am capable of. I know guys in the military who can outshoot my sorry butt any day, and I know ones who I can easily outshoot. So don't tell me you have to be in the military to know how to use a gun, because the military world is just like the civilian world: some people are good shots, and some just suck.
Sure, my property is not long enough for me to have ever been able to practice shooting past 350m, so I am sure many in the military could outshoot me above that range, but that doesn't matter when you are using a pistol at close ranges.
I admit that most of my experience has not been with pistols, but I would not start carrying if I didn't first train heavily in drawing from the holster, and in shooting accurately. That said though, within 25m, I can point shoot accurately enough to easily hit the vitals of a target with my pistol.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I've also been shooting since I was a child, I'm also a very good snap shooter - If I can see something I can hit it, with a telescopic sight I can hit pretty much anything.

Unfortunately, I have progressive myopia.

Still - none of that is the same as shooting people. If the actual soldiers here are saying centre of mass, you're a non-expert minority of one.

[Vuk]

I've also been shooting since I was a child, I'm also a very good snap shooter - If I can see something I can hit it, with a telescopic sight I can hit pretty much anything.

Unfortunately, I have progressive myopia.

Still - none of that is the same as shooting people. If the actual soldiers here are saying centre of mass, you're a non-expert minority of one.

I know the logic, I know the reasoning. I didn't say that I disagree with them all the time, or even most of the time. I simply said that I can conceive of times when it would be possible to wing someone, even if rare, rather than go for a kill. I have never had to shoot someone, and I am not saying that I am 100% sure I am right, but that is my opinion. If the opportunitty did present itself (and I am pretty good at knowing my limitations), and I could hit off-center to lower the chance of killing without significantly endangering myself or someone else, I would try. If they didn't stop, the next would be to kill.
I may be wrong, maybe it would happen too fast, I would fall onto instinct and just have enough time for the kill shot. I can't say for 100% sure, but if such an opportunity did present itself, and I was sure I could hit with a wing shot, I would at least try.

Sucks about your vision. I suffer from Myopia as well, but with my glasses, I can see pretty decent out to 400m, so it is not that big of a deal. Without them, my vision starts degrading past 15-20m. My whole family actually suffers from it except my two youngest brothers. (yet)
I take it that progressive myopia means glasses don't help a lot? That must really suck.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I know the logic, I know the reasoning. I didn't say that I disagree with them all the time, or even most of the time. I simply said that I can conceive of times when it would be possible to wing someone, even if rare, rather than go for a kill. I have never had to shoot someone, and I am not saying that I am 100% sure I am right, but that is my opinion. If the opportunitty did present itself (and I am pretty good at knowing my limitations), and I could hit off-center to lower the chance of killing without significantly endangering myself or someone else, I would try. If they didn't stop, the next would be to kill.
I may be wrong, maybe it would happen too fast, I would fall onto instinct and just have enough time for the kill shot. I can't say for 100% sure, but if such an opportunity did present itself, and I was sure I could hit with a wing shot, I would at least try.

My point is that I don't think you'd realistically get that opportunity, and looking for it will get you killed.

Sucks about your vision. I suffer from Myopia as well, but with my glasses, I can see pretty decent out to 400m, so it is not that big of a deal. Without them, my vision starts degrading past 15-20m. My whole family actually suffers from it except my two youngest brothers. (yet)
I take it that progressive myopia means glasses don't help a lot? That must really suck.

It means, I need new glasses every few years since the age of twelve, which means my most recent glasses don't keep up with my eyes - hence the need for a scope.

[Vuk]

My point is that I don't think you'd realistically get that opportunity, and looking for it will get you killed.



It means, I need new glasses every few years since the age of twelve, which means my most recent glasses don't keep up with my eyes - hence the need for a scope.

Ah, I've only needed to get a stronger pair of lenses twice. Guess I am lucky. I remember my dad's used to be ridiculously thick, but mine are not that bad.

You may be right that such an opportunitty would not present itself, but I would not be looking for one. If one was there, I would take it, if not, I would shoot to kill. I can't imagine you would get the luxury of thinking much in such a situation.

[Major Robert Dump]

If the situation justifies you shoot your way out of it, then the situation justifies shooting to kill.

"Winging" someone is a really good way to get sued.