Doctor Willenloss and his splendid invention, or... [Concluded]

[Arjos]

Arjos & Chaotix: anything to report?

Same message as the previous nights, there was no attack...

[Ironside]

Ironside: Did you receive a block notification?

Nope. I'm guessing that it had to do with me doing nothing, since I didn't think about trying to time jump to see if it was blocked as it should. Activly testing the roleblocker, that's an idea to remember.

[Montmorency]

At this stage, please take notice that @Brickfaced is to be lynched.

[BSmith]

vote: brickfaced

[Thermal]

Looks like I picked a good time to show up.

The condition of my one-time role blocking ability is that, as an attractive female, I can only roleblock a male character.

I'm sure you can appreciate why I didn't specify this before since it would have made me a likely murder choice of a male mafia player, which since I haven't made use of my ability yet, would seem like a waste for town.

Can blockers/watchers all confirm that there abilities have no loopholes? With mafia knowing our plans (since they are public) ANY loopholes can and will be exploited by them to misdirect town, I'll look over the few suspects that are still around and give my verdict, assuming any of you trust me at all.

[Montmorency]

I'm sure you can appreciate why I didn't specify this before since it would have made me a likely murder choice of a male mafia player, which since I haven't made use of my ability yet, would seem like a waste for town.

Why would a semi-bulletproof be concerned about NKs? You haven't revealed the condition for it.

Leaving that aside, a limited roleblock on half the player-base is not something that would drive the Mafia nuts. Why would Mafia see a restricted roleblocker as more dangerous than a full one?

Furthermore, Diana claims to have been blocked.

Your position is shaky. It don't make no sense.

Need I remind you how the other bulletproof-claimant turned out?

[Thermal]

Why would a semi-bulletproof be concerned about NKs? You haven't revealed the condition for it.

I probably should have just been upfront in the first place, but I don't actually have the night time protection I claimed.
I claimed I had it to deter people attempting to NK me, plus at the time, I wasn't sure if I trusted you 100%.

Of course, I could have just told you that I have NK immunity from females but not males and it would have made sense (mostly), but there is really no point in me lying about it.

Feel free to watch/scan/whatever me if you don't choose to lynch me, and then you'll see.

Leaving that aside, a limited roleblock on half the player-base is not something that would drive the Mafia nuts. Why would Mafia see a restricted roleblocker as more dangerous than a full one?

Furthermore, Diana claims to have been blocked.

Not more dangerous, but by specifying I can target only males, I'd imagine it would make any male-aligned character much more weary of me. I simply put steps into place to try and preserve my life until my ability has been used, to try and utilize the abilities we have.

As the guy running the shots (or so to speak), Could you quickly surmise who you haven't heard a result from in regards to their night actions? And what results almost certainly exempt certain players from suspicion? Then I can cast my vote via process of elimination, or on your terms if you wish.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ironside claimed to have no other ability other than time machine, when every other assistant has some kind of ability, every other player in the game in fact. And now Diana was blocked whilst trying to scan him...and you claim that I look scummy? Of course he wouldn't have done anything tonight, he knew he was being watched. And I see no reason why we wouldn't have had 2 kills instead otherwise.

It probably looks suspicious zoning in on a lone player like this, but I'm merely illustrating the fragility your assumption of his innocence is based upon.

Furthermore, any combination of mafia interventions could have been made to incriminate any player, we don't know what they are able to utilize. You have to find equilibrium, especially since a runaway bandwagon could be irreversible if new information comes to light in the round.

[Montmorency]

I wasn't sure if I trusted you 100%.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ironside claimed to have no other ability other than time machine, when every other assistant has some kind of ability, every other player in the game in fact. And now Diana was blocked whilst trying to scan him...and you claim that I look scummy? Of course he wouldn't have done anything tonight, he knew he was being watched. And I see no reason why we wouldn't have had 2 kills instead otherwise.

If Diana tells the truth about being blocked, it indicates that both scum sent in an action. If both scum sent in an action, and Ninjacow is not lying about having blocked Ironside, then Ironside can by no means be scum.

If Ninja is lying, he might or might not be partnered with

The Diana block is very likely a bit of misdirection. The case against Ironside is not clear-cut.

We didn't have two kills because Igor is dead. I wonder whether I should count this as typical townie ignorance?

[Thermal]

If Diana tells the truth about being blocked, it indicates that both scum sent in an action. If both scum sent in an action, and Ninjacow is not lying about having blocked Ironside, then Ironside can by no means be scum.

If Ninja is lying, he might or might not be partnered with

The Diana block is very likely a bit of misdirection. The case against Ironside is not clear-cut.

We didn't have two kills because Igor is dead. I wonder whether I should count this as typical townie ignorance?

Perhaps I wasn't keeping up with the game 110%, but at the time of role confession, I didn't know for certain you were innocent, Chaotix spent long enough being against the idea, I had my own reservations (but more in regards to just you), but made them in a more discreet way.

In a game where every townie (except Ironside, mysteriously) has a pro-town ability, it would be quite base to assume that mafia can only send 1 action / 1 type of action every night.

I'd hardly call it 'typical townie ignorance', we haven't passed enough rounds since the time-rewind to establish a consistent pattern of NK's, there could still be more than 1 source of NK around. You're assuming to much and being ignorant yourself in the process.

To move the topic on to something more productive, aside from Ironside it is perfectly feasible Ninjacow is lying as well, and again, please do tell me if I'm incorrect, but Diana could just be claiming to have been blocked, when really she doesn't have the power she says she has, and is going around killing us off instead.

Your case against me assumes both Diana & Ninjacow are telling the absolute truth, at this point in the game, trusting both of them is highly likely to get town killed.

[Thermal]

Anyway, I'm getting some shut eye for now but will return to vote when I wake up.

I very much hope some people do some voting/post analysis' whilst I'm gone, any additional information to back up the suspicions we have of 1 of many players (myself included) can only be helpful, provided its made without personal bias (otherwise you'll just see what you want to see, clouded judgement is not pro-town, its reckless).

[Montmorency]

In a game where every townie (except Ironside, mysteriously) has a pro-town ability,

We don't know what Daveshack has going on.

Yet BSmith claimed that he stayed home tonight, so unless he's lying as well...

I'd hardly call it 'typical townie ignorance', we haven't passed enough rounds since the time-rewind to establish a consistent pattern of NK's

He admitted to being an SK.

that mafia can only send 1 action / 1 type of action every night.

That's typically how it works. Choose either between killing or your personal ability.

To move the topic on to something more productive, aside from Ironside it is perfectly feasible Ninjacow is lying as well, and again, please do tell me if I'm incorrect, but Diana could just be claiming to have been blocked, when really she doesn't have the power she says she has, and is going around killing us off instead.

The trick is to find out the liar. Right now, you're not looking to good.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That whole exchange was as good as a confession, to me.

The ability doesn't make sense, and the defense is pretty shaky.

Unvote, vote: Brickfaced

[NinjaCow64]

I agree with ATPG. Vote: Brickfaced

There is another possiblity in everything. Diana could by lying about being blocked to confuse the town. Just saying.

[Thermal]

He admitted to being an SK.

That doesn't exclude the possibility of another NK kill source.

That's typically how it works. Choose either between killing or your personal ability.

Because this game has such a conventional format

If you'd actually had me utilise my role blocking ability last night, we might actually be in a less confusing situation, but instead of having me use it, you'd rather all kill me instead...joys.

vote: Ironside

To be honest, I'd probably not even put him as my top candidate (even though I don't trust him) but its pointless voting for someone with no votes behind, not that it should matter much since my head is clearly on the block here...

Otherwise I'd vote for Diana, even her earlier posts look shaky IMO, but its pointless wasting my time analyzing etc, because it won't change any of your minds.

Assuming I am lynched, and I turn out to be town (although you won't know since Jarema won't tell you straight away) what exactly have we established? What is your plan for tomorrow's night actions to root out the mafia? Night is 24 hours so we need to make sure everyone knows what they are doing before it starts.

@ATPG.

It was a little white lie, that I did not need to even own up to. But I chose to. I didn't realise a little white lie to try and protect town interests equated to a confession of being scum. You were adamant Chaotix was scum and look how your views on that turned out...

[Chaotix]

Unvote, Vote: Brickfaced

Too many suspects

[Arjos]

Vote: Brickfaced

Also Monty, please start making a new set of orders.
Ninja at least needs to be checked out...

[Montmorency]

That doesn't exclude the possibility of another NK kill source.

One that hasn't killed on four opportunities?

I'm not going to agonize over whether there is a one-shot killer or not, Mac.

If you'd actually had me utilise my role blocking ability last night, we might actually be in a less confusing situation, but instead of having me use it, you'd rather all kill me instead...joys.

You refused to reveal the condition of its use. I respected that.

If your death is shown to be a poor one, rest assured that it will not have been in vain. If I feel like you weren't scum, I'll just revive you.

Night 3' Orders:

@Ironside: It's time for travel
@Arjos: Protect Ishmael or Chaotix, preferably Ishmael
@Chaotix: Protect BSmith
@DiAnaAbnoba: I'd prefer you to scan Daveshack though you may scananyone other than Ironside should you be inclined
@NinjaCow64: I'd prefer you to block Daveshack, though you may block anyone other than Ironside should you be inclined
@Ishmael: Scan Daveshack
@Askthepizzaguy: Protect Montmorency
@BSmith: Watch Arjos or Ishmael, preferably Arjos

I wonder whether Ishmael and Arjos can endure some investigation soon as well. They've been skirting by.

Chaotix and Pizza, why are you and everyone else so subdued lately?

[Chaotix]

Chaotix and Pizza, why are you and everyone else so subdued lately?

Don't know about ATPG, but I just moved back to college this past Saturday and have been settling into the motions, having more a social life, spending less time on the Org, etc.

Still around for modding duty, but expect to see less action from me in games.

[Jarema]

Mid-day update:

Brickfaced: Montmorency, BSmith, ATPG, NinjaCow, Chaotix, Arjos
Ironside: Diana Abnoba, Brickfaced

sorry for a lack of description (another time) but organizing conference, and especially taking care of guest from abroad is really time-consumming

[Ishmael]

vote: Brickfaced. I'll run with the town on this one, and the case sounds about right.

Confirming that I will scan Daveshack.

[NinjaCow64]

I'll roleblock DaveShack tonight, professor!

[Thermal]

@monty

You can revive people? Sounds like you haven't been 100% forward with your role either.

But its all good, some good guys have to die to find out whose bad, I get that.

Why are you sending Ironside (presumably) forward in time, surely this will protect him, if he turns out to be mafia, this is a terrible idea is it not?

Merely trying to establish your intentions Professor.

[Montmorency]

You can revive people? Sounds like you haven't been 100% forward with your role either.

You know, I revived three individuals just yesterday. What do you want from me?

Why are you sending Ironside (presumably) forward in time, surely this will protect him, if he turns out to be mafia, this is a terrible idea is it not?

Protect him? With my aid, not only that. If he's succeeded come morning tomorrow, it will be safe to describe the goal I have in mind.

[Thermal]

You know, I revived three individuals just yesterday. What do you want from me?

Fair point, I just categorized that ability as 'time rewind' in my head, and didn't actually associate the action with the consequence, my bad...

Protect him? With my aid, not only that. If he's succeeded come morning tomorrow, it will be safe to describe the goal I have in mind.

You have a very entertaining role.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Must be frustrating as all heck for the scum to have to deal with a mass-reviver role.

If town doesn't win this game as a massive curb-stomp I am going to be surprised.

[Ishmael]

Must be frustrating as all heck for the scum to have to deal with a mass-reviver role.

If town doesn't win this game as a massive curb-stomp I am going to be surprised.

I direct you to the appropriate Tv Tropes article.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I direct you to the appropriate Tv Tropes article.

I drop my pantaloons and wave my big fat willy in the direction of Fate. WE'VE GOT A TIME MACHINE.

Mafia = losers.

[Ironside]

Protect him? With my aid, not only that. If he's succeeded come morning tomorrow, it will be safe to describe the goal I have in mind.

Interesting. Side effect of multiple users? I don't mind, since I will follow your order anyway, but I'm curious now. Or is it know it when you see it?

[Ironside]

And since I forgot.

Vote: Brickfaced

[Montmorency]

I'm not going anywhere; I'm just 'boosting' your departure, so to say.

As for multiple users, well, it's unlikely that I, much less Dave or Arjos, will ever have to go. At the least though, it seems the risk is reduced if departures are separated by one round.