In 17century which armies were the most succesfull among Europeans and Asian

[Kagemusha]

And Polish arent Europeans? During this period central European cavalries tended to use caracole , which tended to turn cavalry into shooters. The effectiveness of the tactic has been questioned quite a lot.

Concerning Husaria. We have lot of examples of their capabilities. For example against the Swedes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_hussars

[Jo the Greek]

Caracolle was atactic against massive infantry formations like tercios i argue cause Europeans armies may had heavy charge cavalry but lacked light cavalry that others had and was really usefull

And while heavy cavalry had great impact it had drawbacks as being ultra expensive slow and needed a lot of funds to mantain .

[ReluctantSamurai]

True, the barrel roll was a Dutch invention

I thought "rolling fire" for firearms was something Oda Nobunaga came up with for his teppo

[Kagemusha]

I thought "rolling fire" for firearms was something Oda Nobunaga came up with for his teppo

Similar inventions on other sides of globe.Not uncommon at all.

[Fragony]

Similar inventions on other sides of globe.Not uncommon at all.

Indeed. I really don't know anything about Asian warfare anyway, but the world was big enough by then for such developments everywhere. Didn't gunpowder originally come from China in the first place

[Conradus]

Indeed. I really don't know anything about Asian warfare anyway, but the world was big enough by then for such developments everywhere. Didn't gunpowder originally come from China in the first place

It did, but there are discussions wether they actually used it for warfare like it began to be used in Europe.

[KrooK]

And while heavy cavalry had great impact it had drawbacks as being ultra expensive slow and needed a lot of funds to mantain .

Husaria was not heavy cavarly. It was medium cavarly that was able to fight both with practically every kind of army (infantry, cavarly, missile). In my opinion best armies of XVIIth century was swedish and polish army. Both of them had good infantry and cavarly. Their leaders knew how to use both of them and how to mix infantry and cavarly. Both armies knew how important is artillery and how useful it can be.

To explain my view - theory about weak polish infantry into XVIIth century is not a truth. Polish infantry regiments (called "German type"), especially strenghtened with cossacks, were one of the best infantry into Europe. If we are talking about cavarly, Poland had many kinds of cavarly - mostly medium and light type. There were practically no heavy cavarly (as I wrote husaria was not heavy unit), but husaria was strong enough to fight against any cavarly their faced. Best proof is that Poland won every war its fough into 1st part of XVIIth century.

1. With Russia
2. With Sweden (long hard war, Poland finally won)
3. With Turkey (Chocim - probably greates battle of XVIIth century)
4. With Cossacks