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    Default Should drug possession result in a criminal record?

    We've had a few discussions on drugs over the years and while there are a range of views there does seem to be (from my reading) a general consensus that locking people up and ruining their job prospects for possession is pointless. I really wanted to confirm this with a poll.

    This isn't a wider question of legislation or decriminalisation. I just want to pin the issue down at a personal level.

    The situation is this:

    Your friend has been caught with a personal quantity of drugs. Should he/ she risk a prison sentence or have his/ her job prospects damaged?
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    Against the criminalization of drugs away, so my position should come as no surprise.

    When I was managing a staff of 30 people, two of my best were potheads. I was not willing to lose them because of (a) stupid regulations, and (b) the length of time THC remains detectable in urine. So I peed in bottles for these two guys several times while I was a supervisor. (I am Mr. Clean when it comes to drugs, which has no bearing on whether or not I think they should be decriminalized.)

    I have never met a violent pothead. I have known many violent drunks. The illogic and waste of the drug war never ceases to amaze me.

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    Default Re: Should drug possession result in a criminal record?

    As you phrase the question as the friend having been "caught", one must assume he/she has done something illegal.

    I don't believe in victimless crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    I don't believe in victimless crimes.
    Why on earth not? Are you saying that everything illegal must therefore have a victim? Or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Why on earth not? Are you saying that everything illegal must therefore have a victim? Or what?
    Why else would it be a problem for someone else?

    Me smoking weed at home playing TW - not a crime.
    Me smoking weed out on town, trying to stab people in the eye with a hamburger - possibly a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Why else would it be a problem for someone else?

    Me smoking weed at home playing TW - not a crime.
    Me smoking weed out on town, trying to stab people in the eye with a hamburger - possibly a crime.
    You are at home doing just that. There is a knock at the door. You stub out, pause tw and get the door. At the door is a policeman asking about a missing dog in the neighborhood. Sniff, sniff... whats that? Probable cause. You're nicked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    You are at home doing just that. There is a knock at the door. You stub out, pause tw and get the door. At the door is a policeman asking about a missing dog in the neighborhood. Sniff, sniff... whats that? Probable cause. You're nicked.
    I wasn't arguing against that being the case... It just, you know, shouldnt be :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    You are at home doing just that. There is a knock at the door. You stub out, pause tw and get the door. At the door is a policeman asking about a missing dog in the neighborhood. Sniff, sniff... whats that? Probable cause. You're nicked.
    You actually have to allow them entrance if they think they smell something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho View Post
    You are at home doing just that. There is a knock at the door. You stub out, pause tw and get the door. At the door is a policeman asking about a missing dog in the neighborhood. Sniff, sniff... whats that? Probable cause. You're nicked.
    They need a warrant to search your property - you don't have to let them in. They could nick you, take you in for questioning, go to a judge for a warrant so they can go to your house and bag the spliff but you and I know they won't.

    In answer to the question - if one of my friends has been caught it's because they've been smoking dope on the street, otherwise they wouldn't have been caught. I do happen to believe that should be a crime.
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    Default Re: Should drug possession result in a criminal record?

    I don't claim to be an expert on every drug in existence. Cannabis is fine, but I'm not sure about other drugs. Even then though I'd only approve confiscation & fine as measures to discourage it. Prison time and a criminal record for possesing any drugs for personal use are way overboard in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Me smoking weed at home playing TW - not a crime.
    Possession is a crime in most jurisdictions, regardless of where you intend to use it.

    (I don't think that the actual ingestion of drugs is illegal anywhere, but I could be wrong)
    Last edited by Kralizec; 08-30-2012 at 16:17.

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    Default Re: Should drug possession result in a criminal record?

    Not for small quantities. If you have a little it certainly wouldn't get you into trouble here

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