Geert Wilders comes out of the closet as an anti-semite

[Moros]

As for the points Moros makes; I can't really see how any of that is relevant to a kosher/no kosher debate...

As it was a response to your point. I can't but help to feel, you just shot your own argument.

Secondly the failing of killing an animal succesfully, the stress and animals being processed alive and concious is something that is prevented or limited by sedation.

Also it's funny how we are still debating this as Frags and many other have already stated. Why would one make exemptions based on religion on the first place? It's discrimination for one. If we want everyone to be able to decide what is morally acceptable for them, then why have laws in the first place? If there are exceptions in a law there should be good reasons for it, personal moral views aren't those. The Sharia surely isn't either.

[HoreTore]

That makes your fur industry-point a bit confusing

Whales be fer eatin'. Foxes be fer wearin'.

I like food. I like meat. I like sea-food. I don't like being hungry. Nor do I like upper-class old hags torturing animals so they can wear expensive clothing cheaply and look like crap.

Enough of an answer?

As it was a response to your point. I can't but help to feel, you just shot your own argument.

Hm? You stated that the level of stress is high in the slaughterhouse. True. Kosher slaughter won't affect the level of stress though. How 'bout trying to reduce the level of stress in the slaughterhouse then? You know, making actual progress instead of symbolic action? Same goes for animals not properly slaughtered, no need to ban kosher to fix that. Both of these suggestions will increase the price of meat though, as it will mean added expensives for the meat producer. I guess it's a lot easier to pass laws which inconvenience others than laws which inconvenience ourselves.

[Moros]

Hm? You stated that the level of stress is high in the slaughterhouse. True. Kosher slaughter won't affect the level of stress though. How 'bout trying to reduce the level of stress in the slaughterhouse then? You know, making actual progress instead of symbolic action? Same goes for animals not properly slaughtered, no need to ban kosher to fix that. Both of these suggestions will increase the price of meat though, as it will mean added expensives for the meat producer. I guess it's a lot easier to pass laws which inconvenience others than laws which inconvenience ourselves.

Yes it is. Sedation helps to reduce animal suffering. Are you familiar with the concept of sedation?

Also excuse my vary late edit to my previous post, but it was dinner time while I was writing.

[Ironside]

Whales be fer eatin'. Foxes be fer wearin'.

I like food. I like meat. I like sea-food. I don't like being hungry. Nor do I like upper-class old hags torturing animals so they can wear expensive clothing cheaply and look like crap.

Enough of an answer?

Do you need to eat whales? No. Is it rare and therefore exclusive (and probably expensive. If it's cheap then things get even more fun)? Yes.

You're doing what they're doing, only appealing to your taste buds, instead of sight and touch.

[HoreTore]

No idea what you mean with boiling death by the way

Chickens are boiled after chopping its head in order to remove its feathers. If it avoids the blade, then it's still alive when it's boiled. No chance of escaping that part alive though, that's a definite end.

Do you need to eat whales? No. Is it rare and therefore exclusive (and probably expensive. If it's cheap then things get even more fun)? Yes.

You're doing what they're doing, only appealing to your taste buds, instead of sight and touch.

Rare? Exclusive? Expensive? Whale beef?

See, this is what you get for being born in the east bloc, where you can't have any fun on the seas. Whale beef has been considered very cheap food for ages, a lot of it fed to animals. Under the level of cod, in other words.

Due it not being possible to produce it on the industrial scale required nowadays, however, it has fallen out of use. There have been some attempts during the last decade to reintroduce whales as a "normal" dinner, but it's a long way from catching on.you do get it in plenty of stores, but since it's not a big hit you mostly get it frozen(as you can't sell it fast enough to keep it fresh), further limiting its viability.

A shame really, since I like the taste...

Whales(certain kinds) are an enviromentally sustainable resource, and in a hungry world there's no point in letting viable resources rot away. Much better to have it fill our bellies than rot in the ocean. Overfishing is a problem, but overfishing is a problem for every fish resource. The stock needs to be regulated heavily, like all other fish is. If that's done sensibly, I see no reason not to man the harpoons. And speaking of fish: how is the "all animals should be sedated before they're killed"-motto doing in that business?

10% of the moose being shot is only wounded, but that doesn't stop me from eating moose.

I make other animals suffer and die so I can eat well and live. More people should be aware of that fact, instead of living in the illusion that the meat they have on their plate is produced by rainbows, sunshine and sparkling stars. I believe that will create a society with a healthier respect for food and the animals we eat.

[Fragony]

'Chickens are boiled after chopping its head in order to remove its feathers'

You mean after chopping of it's head it's soul is still dancing?

[HoreTore]

'Chickens are boiled after chopping its head in order to remove its feathers'

You mean after chopping of it's head it's soul is still dancing?

No. I've said it already, but I'll repeat it:

Some chickens are not properly sedated. When that happens(and it could also happen while sedated, but that's rare), the chicken squirms out of the way of the blade. Thus, the head is still attached and the chicken alive and kicking when it gets to the next stop on the line, which is to boil it and remove the feathers.

[Fragony]

No. I've said it already, but I'll repeat it:

Some chickens are not properly sedated. When that happens(and it could also happen while sedated, but that's rare), the chicken squirms out of the way of the blade. Thus, the head is still attached and the chicken alive and kicking when it gets to the next stop on the line, which is to boil it and remove the feathers.

I worked in a chicken factory as you call it, head goes first and it's impossible that the water doesn't stun them, it would knock out anyone