Quote Originally Posted by Kralizec View Post
I think Frag's point is that in his slaughterhouse the chickens are fully immersed in water and that there's no chance any of them avoiding the shock. Maybe Dutch and Norse companies do things differently.
I know that's the point he's making. Thatbwould still be subject to cause #3, however. It may well be that you dutchies have different slaughterhouses than we do(and our biggest one uses gas, btw). It seems that immersing the chicken in water solves #1 and #2, but that's not something I can comment on, not being familiar with it.

Quote Originally Posted by Kralizec View Post
As for other issues with the meat industry, the point is moot unless (and I'm not aware of this) kosher and halal butchers use a different source of animals than the rest of the meat industry.
However you could argue that the method of slaughtering pales in comparison to the unpleasant existance animals have in the industry, both regular and religious, so that a marginal improvement in slaughtering is a drop on a hot plate for animal welfare while OTOH it significantly affects religious communities. Which is why I'm undecided on the issue itself.
That's precisely the argument I'm making.