Trying to explain the level of feminist idiocy that control Sweden...

[Kadagar_AV]

A short petite woman working as prison guard got attacked by one of the inmates, a big burly man sent to prison for violence. The person in the control room, another female prison guard, broke protocol and ran down with her baton drawn. The inmate grabbed the baton and went on to kill the first female guard.

That is the short version of what happened.

Now, some days ago, a Swedish actor while interviewed blamed the death on this woman on the modern Swedish feminism. The combined Swedish press of course jumped on this actor, competing in how best to ridicule him. All the while politicians and people famous on Twitter or whatever struggled frantically in how to best distance themselves from this Rogue.

Let us put aside what this say about the debate climate and rampant political dualism in Sweden, and focus on the matter at hand.


I also blame feminism!

My point is absolutely, ABSOLUTELY not that a woman should not work in a prison. Had it been a buff Ogre woman who got killed I wouldn't have cared as much or blamed it on feminism. But it was not a buff Ogre woman, it was a petite young girl.

From my perspective, men very simply have something women does NOT seem to have. The very simple but effective male code, played out over a mans entire upbringing each and every time he interacts with another man.


A guy who was 1,60 tall and weighted in at 45 or so kilos, would simply never come up with the idea to work with violent criminals. When he was 7 he would have noted that other men were better at football, and to fit into the team he will start taking a supportive role on the field, passing the ball to someone physically better than going for making the goal himself.

Growing up, he will be gently led by society in a way that is so natural after eons of male interactions that we no longer think of it.

"Maybe Tribal tattoo's isnt your style?"
"Let me help You carry that one!"
"You are so smart, You should work with numbers!"

This guy would have been mildly but clearly led away from a career working with violent male criminals.


Again, I have absolutely nothing against women working in prisons, but before the women do, they need to sort out their damn intra-female-guidance system!!

Because, if a petite girl goes through her upbringing getting patted in the back for ideas leading up to her being broken, mangled and very much dead on a prison floor while a big psychotic man is standing over her with a baton that the other female prison guard provided, something has gone wrong.


But here is the annoying bit, to talk about this is 100% absolutely impossible in the political climate we have over here. You will come off as a pariah, while I after having spent some short years abroad found that enough to notice that it is Sweden who is a political pariah on the international political stage.


So I agree with this Swedish actor, and I see this woman as a casualty for modern Swedish feminism.

And I again stress that my main gripe isn't that something crazy like this happened, my main gripe is that something crazy like this happens and everyone is supposed to look the other way like nothing is wrong. I just find it so hard with this elephant in the room...

[Fragony]

Pretty idiotic. Sweden is pretty good example of taking it too far, I am a sucker for women's rights but they are never furiously demanding equal rights for carrying bricks or swiping the streets. That actor is a boss.

[Beskar]

tl;dr version.
A man beats woman with baton, it is the fault of feminism in Sweden.

There is a disconnect going on here..

[Fragony]

tl;dr version.
A man beats woman with baton, it is the fault of feminism in Sweden.

There is a disconnect going on here..

There are some gender roles that Sweden just won't accept. Men are stronger than women, but good luck saying that in Sweden they will claw out our eyeballs.

[Kadagar_AV]

There are some gender roles that Sweden just won't accept. Men are stronger than women, but good luck saying that in Sweden they will claw out our eyeballs.

I've been starred at like I came from Mars for daring to mention that the male National team in hockey might be better than the female National team.

[Fragony]

I've been starred at like I came from Mars for daring to mention that the male National team in hockey might be better than the female National team.

They are going to hate this, our hockey team was the most attractive. And won gold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAsj...e_gdata_player

[Strike For The South]

Can the man use this as a valid defense?

What if he had beaten to death a really weak man? Would it be the patriarchies fault for forcing that boy into a physical, dangerous profession?

[Kadagar_AV]

Can the man use this as a valid defense?

He's pretty psychotic... He politly apoligized to the corpse just after... I think he's a "keeper" for our justice system, so to say.



EDIT: As to your edit, as is the case that wasn't the case. So kind of a moot point.

[Strike For The South]

He's pretty psychotic... He politly apoligized to the corpse just after... I think he's a "keeper" for our justice system, so to say.



EDIT: As to your edit, as is the case that wasn't the case. So kind of a moot point.

At my heaviest I could have thrown a 150 pound man around as easily as a 115 pound woman. Your main line of argument seems to be that feminism emboldened her to the point, where she thought she could do a mans job. You then claim that her murder is the at least partially to blame on this mentality.

You contradict yourself when you say that a heavier woman would have been more suitable, this, already is a merit based system.

You seem to take more of an issue with the fact that she was so small, rather than her just being a woman.

[Greyblades]

Personally I'm surprised that anyone who isnt bult like an ox or given military training is either willing to be/allowed into such a perilous job. Also shouldnt they have had tazers or something a bit more apropriate to take crazed murderers than a baton?

[Fisherking]

I would be more inclined to say that it is the feminization of Swedish Government than feminism that is to blame.

I saw an article on the subject. Obviously their regulations did not permit a proper response to the attack.

All those feel good regulations got a woman killed. When a man showed up the guy went to his knees before anyone got close to him. If the first responder had clotted him upside the head the girl might still be alive.

http://www.danielhammarberg.com/2011...-blows-landed/

[Sarmatian]

Logic that it would have been far less likely to happen had that big, burly inmate been facing an equally big and burly prison guard is not unsound.

The next logical step would be to ask why a petite woman was allowed to work in place where a big, burly man was required.

If by simply asking you end up being ridiculed "just because women should have equal job opportunities as men", than it is a feminist issue.

Some things just can't be genderless. No one wants to hire me to work in a mini skirt on an auto show. It's just how things work.

[Kralizec]

Logic that it would have been far less likely to happen had that big, burly inmate been facing an equally big and burly prison guard is not unsound.

The next logical step would be to ask why a petite woman was allowed to work in place where a big, burly man was required.

If by simply asking you end up being ridiculed "just because women should have equal job opportunities as men", than it is a feminist issue.

Some things just can't be genderless. No one wants to hire me to work in a mini skirt on an auto show. It's just how things work.

This about sums up my thoughts.

However, if Swedish prisons would also hire a male midget with no muscles as a guard, then it's not a gender issue.

[Paltmull]

Blaming this on feminism is quite a long-shot. The cause for the incident was lacking routines. Noone, regardless of sex or physical strength should have been left alone with such a dangerous prisoner. To say that a strong man would have had a better chance of survival in that situation is not a good argument, because such a situation should never have been allowed to occur in the first place.

[Andres]

Allthough I don't necessarily agree with Kadagar's opinion, I understand his frustration that simply having a viewpoint that is not "the accepted viewpoint" creates an entire mediastorm. Kudos to that actor for voicing his opinion regardless of him knowing what reaction he would get. If more people did this, then eventually, it will be possible to have the normal debate Kadagar is craving for in Sweden.

That said, the woman did the job she wanted to do. I'm sure she knew and accepted the risks.

Before jumping to conclusions that her gender and stature played a role:

1) Are there numbers on this, statistics? How many prison guards were killed or seriously injured by convicts during their job in the last 10 to 15 years; how many of them were male and how many female? It's impossible to draw conclusions out of this one incident simply because the victim was a small woman.
2) If somebody is to blame, then I think it's whoever invented the prison policy. One guard for such dangerous a convict, and he wasn't even handcuffed?

From the article Fisherking linked to:

1. The man asks to get to go for a smoke. He’s allowed to enter the elevator alone and head up there, with Karen arriving moments later.
2. In the immediate area, another female guard is also present, though whether she’s present when the man walks outside or not is unclear.
3. Now he’s alone with Karen, with her unarmed. She turns to unlock the door, and then he attacks from behind, hitting her repeatedly as she falls to the ground.
4. The other female guard catches notice of what’s going on; she grabs her nightstick and runs there to intervene. Due to prison regulations, guards aren’t allowed to strike at an inmate’s head with the nightstick, however, hence she hits him on the arm instead.
5. Erik appears unfazed by this strike and instead snatches the nightstick from her and uses it to keep beating on Karen. Before it’s over, he’s hit her with over 40+ blows, and she’s only got 15 minutes left of her life.
6. After a couple of minutes, male officers appear, with him getting on his knees to willingly surrender before they even reach him. Later medical examination showed that he appeared to have broken his right hand in the process of beating up Karen.

Unarmed? And the other guard not allowed to hit him on the head? I think most men would have gotten a good beating as well, in this particular incident. What kind of an idiot lets his personnel alone and unarmed with a dangerous, psychotic convict? I'm pretty sure the same could've happened to a male guard; after all, he attacked her from behind when she turned around.

Also from FisherKings' article:

To an American audience, it might appear somewhat strange for a skinny university graduate to start work at a jail, but the penal philosophy in Sweden is based on communication and understanding. It’s believed that by maintaining a dialogue with the clientele behind bars, one can avoid violent confrontations.

That's all nice and well, but can't you at least be prepared in case it doesn't work out as intended? Isn't it possible to maintain a dialogue but still keep in mind the safety of the guards, like, I don't know, giving them a taser, or write in your regulations that for the dangerous types, like this fellow, you always need two or three guards to accompany them?

[Sir Moody]

I am struggling to see what Feminism has to do with this case?

Was there a major Feminist movement for allowing Female Prison Officers?

or is it just that it involves Women working where you don't think they should (despite repeatable claiming you had no problem with it)?

frankly this case speaks more to a failing in the Prison system in general - why was a dangerous prisoner only escorted by one Guard (I have a friend who works in a Prison over here and with Violent prisoners Guards always work in pairs) - while the results may not have been quite so serious with a Male guard, all it takes is one good knock and the guard is helpless

additionally can you provide a link to the article - all the articles i can find say she was beaten with her OWN baton and don't mention a second guard at all

[Kadagar_AV]

I'm not sure it's official that the other female guard broke protocol, I know some people working there and got the information from them..

My gripe is that there is a major feministic movement completely ignoring any and all differences between the sexes, and who go to great extremes to mock and ridicule anyone opposing this.

Again, my problem isn't that a woman worked there... Had the first prison guard been a big burly woman who could defend herself somewhat, and the one supposed to protect her a big woman with a baton that knew how to use it, I would see absolutely no problems with it.

But this wasn't the case.

EDIT: found it