Objections to the Sex Trade

[Fragony]

You are staunchly anti porn and anti prostitution, and you do not approve of sex without love. You make that very clear both here and in the past.

I, on the other hand, see no difference in spending time and money courting a woman to get into her pants, or simply cutting to the chase and paying for what I want if she is willing.

The idea of these women being trapped in a prison of human trafficking is greatly exaggerated, and virtually non existent, in the business districts of the cities of the PI. It happens to be government regulated. I was not in Burma. I was not in Ecuador. There were no chaved orangutans. Does it happen in the PI? Of course it does, and I did not go to those places.

This may be the only job some of these women can find. I very well understand that. And you may think I am only making this worse by participating. Not only do I disagree with you, but you cannot prove this in any tangible way other than pulling at the heartstrings. In fact, I am making it better for them by being the best customer I can be in the event I decide to make the purchase. Talk all you want about being part of the problem or part of the solution. That's real big talk, and it doesn't work.

I got propositioned EVERYWHERE, and by women who were not girls working in the trade. Of course, you would know this if you bothered to read. I got propositioned in the mall. I got propositioned at the car lot. I got propositioned by girls working in coffee shops and girls leaving nursing schools. The poorer the area you go to, the more the propositions come. And these were by women, I am not even talking about all the shady guys who come up and make me offers.

And, you subtley call me a pedophile, which you have yet to apologize for.

And, you suggest that I have nothing to offer these women other than money and have no game, when in fact the second half of my tris was nothing but innocent dating of random girls I met here and there. And before you say they are using me as a green card, be advised that I was not born yesterday, and compared to most Filipino men, Al Bundy would be a good catch because he at least goes to work and doesn't beat them.

It is abundently clear that you are skimming over what I write. On one hand, you accuse me of playing hero. Then you tell me I could just give the girls money and move on. When say I have done this, you sarcastically say I am playing hero again. Obviously, nothing I do is right.

I have made it clear several times that I plan on pursuing commercial ventures in the pacific, and that I am also trying to make friends, but you apparently didn't catch that. I also recall mentioning that I am still in contact with most of those girls. I say *most* because the ones who I do not talk to have not returned emails or phone calls. We use facebook, skype, email, yahoo and I have an international calling plan and I talk to several per week. I have continued to send gifts for birthdays and plan on sending christmas presents.

We obviously are not going to agree on this. If you want to continue to troll me and insult me, go right ahead, and understand I will return the favor in full. Or you can just go away, which I am sure everyone would appreciate.

**And I impregnated no one
**And I do not have a daughter and I hate my sister
**And were I a woman, or if I was a muscle head, I would be stripper or a hooker, so you are arguing against something that I would engage in myself given the poortunity. When I was 19 I slept with a 45 year old once to get a summer job, does that count?

Got to make a case for Vuk, where you are right now is a sex destination for people looking for it. I trust you on being a decent person but a lot of these girls want something in return and it just could be that you let them down there. I am sure you are a handsome guy but Vuk isn't all that far off probably. It's a sex haven for people with tendencies, you are being too harsh on him, you just might not fully understand what is going on there. Doesn't make you stupid, but a bit naive, absolutely that.

[SoFarSoGood]

There us no way this guy is a real Major.

[Fisherking]

There us no way this guy is a real Major.

No he is not a major yet. It has always been his screen name here. As in major dump. At the time he chose the name he was not a member of any military service. In the last 11 years he has become an office. Perhaps in the future he will become a major. (much stranger things have happened)


As to the attitudes on prostitution by some of the members here, I find them almost as amusing as MRD’s story. It is legal, regulated, and most often taxed in a lot of countries of the world. It dose not occur just in 3rd world countries. It is legal in most of Europe. It was not made illegal in the US until 1910 to 1915. Today it is still legal in Nevada and Idaho. I know most of you don’t know about Idaho and the last I knew they only had one legal house. In most countries where it is illegal it is often ignored. I think it may be technically illegal in both Thailand and the Philippines.

The places where it is outlawed, tend for the most part, to be communist or former communist countries or Islamic countries.

Making it illegal usually has the effect of removing legal protections from those practicing the activity. From the standpoint of stopping victimization and exploitation, I would think regulating it would be the wiser choice.

Moralistically I am not going to make people’s choices for them. They are going to do what they are going to do. I just prefer people have a right of choice what ever that choice is so long as it brings no physical harm to others.

[Centurion1]

Vuk do you pay the sheep or do you get them drunk first?

Kadagar your talking about treating women like your wife or sister meanwhile your all over the internet crowing about your completely anecdotal sexual escapades. Doesn't seem much better to me.

I come from a navy family. I hang out with alot of military brats..... and let me just say in your average group of ten navy brats from enlisted men I wouldn't bat an eye if 4 were half flip. Flips like Americans and vice versa. Flips are also little sexual dynamos. God bless their culture.

[Major Robert Dump]

Got to make a case for Vuk, where you are right now is a sex destination for people looking for it. I trust you on being a decent person but a lot of these girls want something in return and it just could be that you let them down there. I am sure you are a handsome guy but Vuk isn't all that far off probably. It's a sex haven for people with tendencies, you are being too harsh on him, you just might not fully understand what is going on there. Doesn't make you stupid, but a bit naive, absolutely that.

You have to be kidding me.

Of course there is a sex trade here, it is a fraction of the tourist income. It is practically sanctioned by the government. And I hear you are allowed to gamble in Las Vegas, as well.

Of course there are women here are looking to be swept off their feet and whisked away to paradise.

Believe me, frags, I understand the country very well.

I'm not going to go easy on him

He called me a pedophile
He called me the blight of humanity
He basically said in the legal bar scene in the PI it is not okay, but in the illegal bar scene in the states its not so bad because the women have other choices, which incidentally contradicts why he thinks adult entertainment should not be legal, because the women are all victims and didn't get there by free will. My head is spinning.
He chided me for not giving them money in exchange for nothing, and when I pointed out that I did, he chided me again.

I did not engage street walkers. Read again. I went to legal, regulated establishments that treat there workers sooooo poorly that they get free medical care and one of them just uploaded her pictures onto FB from a bar-paid trip for a week in Boracay, Holy cows, I am practically a slave trader.

My god, if you people got half as outraged about real crimes and the robber barons bankrupting us all, we might actually get somewhere.

I cannot wait for the judgement to come rolling in when I get into the christian matchmaking service in Cebu

[Fragony]

You have to be kidding me.

Of course there is a sex trade here, it is a fraction of the tourist income. It is practically sanctioned by the government. And I hear you are allowed to gamble in Las Vegas, as well.

Of course there are women here are looking to be swept off their feet and whisked away to paradise.

Believe me, frags, I understand the country very well.

I'm not going to go easy on him

He called me a pedophile
He called me the blight of humanity
He basically said in the legal bar scene in the PI it is not okay, but in the illegal bar scene in the states its not so bad because the women have other choices, which incidentally contradicts why he thinks adult entertainment should not be legal, because the women are all victims and didn't get there by free will. My head is spinning.
He chided me for not giving them money in exchange for nothing, and when I pointed out that I did, he chided me again.

I did not engage street walkers. Read again. I went to legal, regulated establishments that treat there workers sooooo poorly that they get free medical care and one of them just uploaded her pictures onto FB from a bar-paid trip for a week in Boracay, Holy cows, I am practically a slave trader.

My god, if you people got half as outraged about real crimes and the robber barons bankrupting us all, we might actually get somewhere.

I cannot wait for the judgement to come rolling in when I get into the christian matchmaking service in Cebu

I didn't call you any of that, and I didn't accuse you of anything. But I still think you are being a bit naive here. Not to offend you mind you I know you are a good person, but it might not be what you think it is, the girls you met could just as easily be taking their losses.

[Fisherking]

I didn't call you any of that, and I didn't accuse you of anything. But I still think you are being a bit naive here. Not to offend you mind you I know you are a good person, but it might not be what you think it is, the girls you met could just as easily be taking their losses.

Frags he was talking about Vuk not you.

[Fragony]

Frags he was talking about Vuk not you.

I know