Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post


What are you trying to do here? Pigeon-hole me into saying something specific? I am saying it is imperative that you try to avoid curtailing certain (preferably all) civil liberties or deny due process to certain (preferably all) individuals. I am saying that in the 1860s, the American people were pushed to a breaking point that can be objectively considered reasonable, whether you agree with it or not (and surely I would have been one of the people who was mad at hell as Lincoln, regardless of which side of the conflict I lived on).

Our country today has reached no such breaking point. The people capitulated and gave up their liberties without a fight, without batting an eyelash, and absolutely without proper resistance. 3000 people died in a tragedy in New York, and that's all it took to break the country, and give in to the terror.
That's nice, but it does not answer my question :)