U.S. Ambassador and three others killed in Libya.

[Fisherking]

That is not the video acquired by AFP and put up on the net. That is the one the 4 pics came from.

Did you find it on Youtube? No!

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/437772/u...ose-consulate/

They get over $2B from us, and they are making demands? We should just pull our cash and our embassy now, why bother with these people?

Favorite quote from the article:
As if we're going to change our Constitution for you heads.

This is simply not a politic statement - 2Bn is nothing in the US budget, and in any case it is not a question of money.

[Major Robert Dump]

Some are saying they were cheering because he was a alive, and the calls to hold hm up were sympathetic

And some are saying that they were chanting because he was captured, and the calls to hold him up were to put him on display so they could take photos.

Maybe Hax or another Arabic speaker could shed some light



http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ya-attack.html

[rvg]

They get over $2B from us, and they are making demands? We should just pull our cash and our embassy now, why bother with these people?

One reason not to pull the aid right now is because the government in Tripoli has limited control over what is going on in Benghazi. Similar to what goes on in the tribal Frontier Province of Pakistan: nominally the central government is in control, but in reality the region is self-ruled.

[Hax]

Yes found one. Finding him and carrying him through a window. I don't know what they are saying beyond the allahu akbar bit, but I guess that must mean something bad is about to happen right?

A note on the use of "allahu akbar" as a slogan. It carries about the same connotation as "oh my God" and can (and is) used in a lot of different situations.

EDIT: But having seen the video you referred to, I don't think it's anything good either, in this case. The original point remains, though.

[Major Robert Dump]

Pakistanis and Afghans are saying they will not rest until the filmmaker is prosecuted.

Whats funny, is that he violated probation, and will likely go to jail. So in their little pea-brains they will think they actually got him prosecuted HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Kralizec]

I was thinking more of the other side of the coin: thousands of people on the webs will complain that the US bent over for islamists and killed free speech.

[rvg]

A note on the use of "allahu akbar" as a slogan. It carries about the same connotation as "oh my God" and can (and is) used in a lot of different situations.

EDIT: But having seen the video you referred to, I don't think it's anything good either, in this case. The original point remains, though.

Hopefully the autopsy will shed more light onto this.

[CBR]

Pakistanis and Afghans are saying they will not rest until the filmmaker is prosecuted.

We had similar stuff with the cartoons. And KFC was also hit back then. They will get over it and get back to burning the US flag for the usual reasons.

[Vladimir]

Some are saying they were cheering because he was a alive, and the calls to hold hm up were sympathetic

And some are saying that they were chanting because he was captured, and the calls to hold him up were to put him on display so they could take photos.

Maybe Hax or another Arabic speaker could shed some light



http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ya-attack.html

That makes me incredibly sad yet hopeful.

[Fisherking]

I see no point in taking it out on the Libyan people in general. Getting the perps is enough, if the government there is up to the task.

I don’t think sending US troops is a good idea. It is only likely to make matter worse. And it is not the 18th century where we must see honor satisfied, I hope.

[Major Robert Dump]

I was thinking more of the other side of the coin: thousands of people on the webs will complain that the US bent over for islamists and killed free speech.

That is already happening all over conservative pundit land. Even heard people talking about it in HEB. The misinformation is astounding.... "OMG I cant believe CNN outed the filmmaker!!""

Um... public record.... um, violation of probation=court=public record.... um, Valerie Plame, pffft.... not only that, but the guy knew the risks when he made the film

[Fragony]

Some are saying they were cheering because he was a alive, and the calls to hold hm up were sympathetic





http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ya-attack.html

That would make me feel pretty stupid. It's certainly not something I ever considered.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/se...testers-london

Oh no!

Now London's at it.

[Fragony]

It's England

[Strike For The South]

It's England

Hello Hello whats all this then

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Hello Hello whats all this then

8.5/10

It should be: " 'ello 'ello, what's all this then."
But well done for trying.

[Fisherking]

That is already happening all over conservative pundit land. Even heard people talking about it in HEB. The misinformation is astounding.... "OMG I cant believe CNN outed the filmmaker!!""

Um... public record.... um, violation of probation=court=public record.... um, Valerie Plame, pffft.... not only that, but the guy knew the risks when he made the film

He also dubbed over the original film dialogue to change George to Mohamed and other stuff.

So he hoodwinked the actors too. But the bad part is what can happen to other Coptic Christians back in Egypt. If there was anything to keep quiet about it was his background and religion. That just to protect the innocent from reprisals. But then again they will be able to report on that too, maybe…killing Christians may not be news…

[Major Robert Dump]

I think the fact that they are not attacking Coptic Christians right now is a pretty good indication that this hate is geared at the US.

I disagree that the media should keep quiet on his religion to protect egyptian christians from reprisals. Free speech goes both ways, man. And his religion is relevant to the larger story. We don't shut down koran burning pastors to protect the troops, we shouldnt block a guys personal info when he makes his life an open book through his actions.

[Major Robert Dump]

When will we stop catering and cowering to these monsters?

It is no coincidence that McDonalds has delayed the McRib return to appease the Islamofascists. This was likely done at the request of the White House. Obama is destroying America, and destroying good food.

http://consumerist.com/2012/09/not-t...e-delayed.html

[Fisherking]

I think the fact that they are not attacking Coptic Christians right now is a pretty good indication that this hate is geared at the US.

I disagree that the media should keep quiet on his religion to protect egyptian christians from reprisals. Free speech goes both ways, man. And his religion is relevant to the larger story. We don't shut down koran burning pastors to protect the troops, we shouldnt block a guys personal info when he makes his life an open book through his actions.

No they can tell it. They may even push for more Hate Crime Bills over it. Who knows?

It is about America, Cheeseburgers, and KFC. It is also about a religious agenda. I am sure there is enough hate to go around.

[Vladimir]

When will we stop catering and cowering to these monsters?

It is no coincidence that McDonalds has delayed the McRib return to appease the Islamofascists. This was likely done at the request of the White House. Obama is destroying America, and destroying good food.

http://consumerist.com/2012/09/not-t...e-delayed.html

Great. Now the blacks are going to riot too. Oh the irony.

[Hax]

Why do all different minorities insist they're the ones being persecuted? Either it's "the media is anti-Muslim, they want to offend us!" or it's "the media is afraid of Islam, they refuse to say anything about Islam!"

One of the statements has to be false.

[Shaka_Khan]

I see no point in taking it out on the Libyan people in general. Getting the perps is enough, if the government there is up to the task.

I don’t think sending US troops is a good idea. It is only likely to make matter worse. And it is not the 18th century where we must see honor satisfied, I hope.

I agree. The situation is too dangerous to have embassies in those countries. The extremist clerics will have more ammo for their manipulative propaganda if a marine fires in self defense. The clerics have the advantage because they are more familiar with the language and the culture of the region where they live.
This is also happening because of the lack of understanding on the American culture by the rioters and terrorists. The person who uploaded the video clearly doesn't represent most of the Americans. There'll be violence no matter what the Western governments do. They should just withdraw.
The only mistake that the US did in this situation is accepting the immigration of an Egyptian who turned out to have issues against the Muslims.

[Lemur]

What strikes me is the symbiotic relationship between the West's free-speech trolls and the protesters. Clearly they need each other, and clearly they feed off each other.

Sad thing is that it only takes a vanishingly small number of free-speech trolls feed the protest trolls.

I'm not really making a point here, just taking a break from a deadline project.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No no, it's a three part relationship. First come the protesters, who don't need anyone else. Then the "coexist" trolls who need the protesters for a chance to pass themselves off as enlightened. Then the free-speech trolls to make a huge fuss over the "coexist" trolls. And then me to make condescending criticisms of all three. Booyeah!

[Shaka_Khan]

What strikes me is the symbiotic relationship between the West's free-speech trolls and the protesters. Clearly they need each other, and clearly they feed off each other.

Sad thing is that it only takes a vanishingly small number of free-speech trolls feed the protest trolls.

I'm not really making a point here, just taking a break from a deadline project.

The small number was just one. We've had plenty of experience. The government is just realizing this now.

[Lemur]

Then the free-speech trolls to make a huge fuss over the "coexist" trolls.

Oh, by "free-speech troll" I was referring to the people who make craptacular films or burn Korans because, you know, they can. Would they even bother if they didn't know they would get a massive dose of attention? Hence my use of the term "troll." They exist in a separate sphere (in my mind) from genuine artists, novelists, or documentarians who also provoke the ire of the Ummah. (Obviously, the border between troll and artist can be a little porous ...)

[Papewaio]

Great write up particularly about the Sydney protests but it does cast a wider net:

No. Let's start with the fact that so few of the protesters who descended on Sydney's CBD this weekend seem actually to have seen the film that so gravely offends them. When asked by journalists, they bluntly admit this, one even adding that she refuses to watch something so offensive. It's almost impressive how cyclical this stupidity is. But it's also instructive. In fact, this is the key to making sense of something so gobsmackingly senseless. The protesters - at least the ones quoted in news reports - know nothing except how offended they are.

From "The Incredible Muslim Hulk proves to be no friend of Islam either"... In the Sydney Morning Herald online

[Sasaki Kojiro]

In fact, this is the key to making sense of something so gobsmackingly senseless. The protesters - at least the ones quoted in news reports - know nothing except how offended they are.

People who admit they have no idea what is motivating people shouldn't try to explain it. "The protest is the point", why? You can't pretend like that's a revealing conclusion when it skips answering the most obvious question.

@Lemur: I would call those guys ant-islam trolls...free speech trolls being the ideologues who think this situation is all about defending free speech.