Evolution and the soul...

[Kadagar_AV]

You guys don;t know anything about most major religions actual current dogma so it simply makes telling you anything annoying and fruitless. LOLZ RELIGION IS STUPID is at the end of the day the summation of your arguments. This isn't reddit.

I am Catholic and as a denomination our church leadership believes in evolution.

First of all Fragony animals do not have souls so no kadagar and fragony, no dinosaurs would be in heaven because as I am sure you know most scientists posit that they were not sentient intelligent life. Also Fragony in my christian religion at least it does not matter what religion in terms of going to heaven only that you live a life according to the right values (i.e. a good person)

Religion dictates that humanity is defined by our sentience and thusly our souls. Souls and sentience are tied in together and in the mind of religion it is our soul which separates us from simply being an intelligent animal and allows for things like free will or other uniquely human concepts.. Sentient beings have souls which allows for alien races to be converted I suppose.

Well, that doesn't answer my question.

WHEN in the evolutionary chain did we get a soul? That animals don't have one but that the human variation do I have understood, what I wonder is what line is drawn between animal and human on the evolutionary chain.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well, that doesn't answer my question.

WHEN in the evolutionary chain did we get a soul? That animals don't have one but that the human variation do I have understood, what I wonder is what line is drawn between animal and human on the evolutionary chain.

This is stupid. Thinking for a minute you can guess that the likely answer would be that the moment when humans began to become sentient enough to recognize god (as their maker) is when they got souls and were allowed into heaven.

Trying to force a christian to point at a specific year is either going to make the christian look dumb or you look dumb.

[Kadagar_AV]

This is stupid. Thinking for a minute you can guess that the likely answer would be that the moment when humans began to become sentient enough to recognize god (as their maker) is when they got souls and were allowed into heaven.

Trying to force a christian to point at a specific year is either going to make the christian look dumb or you look dumb.

So by your logic, neanderthals would have a place in heaven?

[a completely inoffensive name]

So by your logic, neanderthals would have a place in heaven?

Learn some science before you talk. Modern humans != neanderthals. We split off from them ~550,000 years ago. Evidence shows they were not inventive nor creative with their tools and not as adaptive as modern humans in the regions they lived, indicating that despite bigger brain sizes they were probably not on the same level as homo sapiens.

[Kadagar_AV]

Learn some science before you talk. Modern humans != neanderthals. We split off from them ~550,000 years ago. Evidence shows they were not inventive nor creative with their tools and not as adaptive as modern humans in the regions they lived, indicating that despite bigger brain sizes they were probably not on the same level as homo sapiens.

Well, their burial traditions points to neanderthals believing in an afterlife. So...?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well, their burial traditions points to neanderthals believing in an afterlife. So...?

You are going to have to elaborate and bring sources. When you start getting under a million years ago, the evolutionary chain for hominids has them already developing social skills and primitive cultures. By primitive cultures, don't delude yourself to think they had a concept of a society. Most likely they had the very basic notions of kinship for immediate family, which would lend itself to ceremonial burials since groupings of hominids during that period still consisted of very small groups of 15-40 people. Mostly 1-3 large families.

[Fragony]

You are going to have to elaborate and bring sources. When you start getting under a million years ago, the evolutionary chain for hominids has them already developing social skills and primitive cultures. By primitive cultures, don't delude yourself to think they had a concept of a society. Most likely they had the very basic notions of kinship for immediate family, which would lend itself to ceremonial burials since groupings of hominids during that period still consisted of very small groups of 15-40 people. Mostly 1-3 large families.

Neanderthalers buried their dead like a foethus, along with various tools that come in handy. It isn't that far a stretch that they believed in an afterlife of some sorts.

[Kadagar_AV]

You are going to have to elaborate and bring sources. When you start getting under a million years ago, the evolutionary chain for hominids has them already developing social skills and primitive cultures. By primitive cultures, don't delude yourself to think they had a concept of a society. Most likely they had the very basic notions of kinship for immediate family, which would lend itself to ceremonial burials since groupings of hominids during that period still consisted of very small groups of 15-40 people. Mostly 1-3 large families.

Well, every sign points to them looking after their elderly, showing a sense of morals. Also, when someone died they had rituals around it, and buried bodies have been found with much needed items around.

You wouldn't leave equipment that would do the family/clan well behind for no reason, no? Homo Sapiens did it to help the dead in the afterlife, I see no reason thinking the Neanderthals would be different, specially since the groups intermingled.

[Fragony]

Learn some science before you talk. Modern humans != neanderthals. We split off from them ~550,000 years ago. Evidence shows they were not inventive nor creative with their tools and not as adaptive as modern humans in the regions they lived, indicating that despite bigger brain sizes they were probably not on the same level as homo sapiens.

Not true, we share an ancestor, just like we share an ancestor with primates.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Not true, we share an ancestor, just like we share an ancestor with primates.

Shoot, that is what I meant. Modern humans and the neanderthals split off from the same ancestor around 550,000 years ago. Thanks for the correction though.

[Fragony]

This is stupid. Thinking for a minute you can guess that the likely answer would be that the moment when humans began to become sentient enough to recognize god (as their maker) is when they got souls and were allowed into heaven.

Trying to force a christian to point at a specific year is either going to make the christian look dumb or you look dumb.

Yep, this gets filed under M for Militant atheism. It's called faith for a reason, can they have it it doesn't bother me