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Did anyone ever tell you that you can be scary
Last edited by Fragony; 10-08-2012 at 19:24.
Re: Maritime abortions
When you join the UN, you explicitly agree that it's OK for other nations to meddle with your "internal affairs", like your (lack of) democracy, your laws, etc.
Morocco is a member of the UN. I see no problem.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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I lean towards imperialism. I really don't have a problem with what they are doing but I just know if I met these people in real life they would be overflowing with burden.
The west still sees other cultures as primitive and backwards and still has the same need to bring them up to speed
Horetore is probably the most xenophobic, in that sense
Last edited by Strike For The South; 10-08-2012 at 20:39.
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Re: Maritime abortions
Hah!Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Tyrannic ruler =/= general population.
If a Moroccan woman wants an abortion, saying that she should be able to have one is not xenophobic, imperialist or whatever. Her culture is not backwards, it is her culture which says it's fine. To put it into your argument: all I'm saying is that the woman in questions should be free to do as is her culture, without interference from those who wre of a different culture.
Also, the woman-hating antiabortion folks are the same all over the world, and the less influence they have, the better.
But kudos for the red herring you threw in my face, of course
Last edited by HoreTore; 10-08-2012 at 21:46.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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You're a terrible person because you believe you are right.Hah!
Tyrannic ruler =/= general population.
If a Moroccan woman wants an abortion, saying that she should be able to have one is not xenophobic, imperialist or whatever. Her culture is not backwards, it is her culture which says it's fine. To put it into your argument: all I'm saying is that the woman in questions should be free to do as is her culture, without interference from those who wre of a different culture.
Also, the woman-hating antiabortion folks are the same all over the world, and the less influence they have, the better.
But kudos for the red herring you threw in my face, of course
The idea a woman has a "right" to an abortion is merely a cultural construct - Moroccan women who want abortions are not of a "different culture" to those who think nobody should ever have an abortion.
Moroccans have the right to self determination - over here we bankrupt people who refuse to accommodate homosexuals in their hotels, there they deny women abortions.
In every society there are winners and loses - I can tell you as a Christian in a publicly secular society, I'm not very happy, if I want to be accepted in certain places or in certain careers I have to pretend to be something I'm not.
Sound like any other minority group you know?
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Abortion is unjust homicide. People who travel to a country simply to kill the unborn are contemptible.
Travel to these countries to dispense birth control or educate a repressed population and you've got my support. Go there to kill innocent human's and you don't.
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I find myself in agreement with you, as my faith teaches that the unborn are possessed of a soul from conception, but would remind you that any number of cultures/religions do NOT ascribe to the view that an unborn child is possessed of a soul. Lacking a soul, such cultures/belief groups would view abortion as no more evil than they would killing animals for food.
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That begs the question: Is masturbation genocide or mass murder?
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I completely disregard the idea of a nation state, and I also disregard "culture". Hello, I'm an international commie bastard, is this your first encounter?
The Moroccan woman believes she has the right to an abortion. I believe she has a right to abortion, thus I support her. Self-setermination on a national level is nonsense and worthless when it comes to questions of individual rights. The Moroccan people have no business telling their women what to do, sorry.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
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"The laws of Moroccan men do not apply to Moroccan women; the Moroccan women do not fall under the legal jurisdiction of the Moroccan men, who are equivalent to the Moroccan state."?The Moroccan people have no business telling their women what to do, sorry.
or
"Moroccan men and women have no business telling Moroccan women what to do. For a Moroccan woman to perform any action whatsoever entails massive dissonance and an egregious disregard of her own rights."?
Care to reformulate that?
I thought the collective holds precedence over the individual? Is that only when you disagree with the individual?Self-setermination on a national level is nonsense and worthless when it comes to questions of individual rights.
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Re: Maritime abortions
The Moroccans are not very consistent in denying women abortions, I believe I already covered that.
That Morocco is a sovereign state which has the authority to enact its own laws does not mean that the rest of the world has to like what they do. Or that organisations like WoW can't help women from evading these restrictions. From what I know WoW carefully avoids breaking the laws while inside the jurisdiction, and that's all that matters.
Wether you approve or dissaprove of WoW's actions largely depends on your opinion about abortion. I can agree to disagree about that. But please don't give me any nonsense reasons like that the women in question are under some sort of extra-legal obligation to follow their culture's taboos, or that we can't help them to evade them.
Whut? Examples?
Last edited by Kralizec; 10-09-2012 at 13:34.
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Funny, I have been thinking the same thing about you for 2 years.
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