Maritime abortions

**Kralizec** · 10-11-2012, 08:23

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

I didn't say they had to follow Moroccan culture, I took issue with HoreTore's claim that there was a cultural difference between women who want abortions and those who don't - rather than a personal difference.

If Moroccan law states that women should not be allowed abortions because Moroccan culture conceives of such a thing as wrong then providing Moroccan women with access to abortions is interfering with Moroccan law because we don't agree with their culture.

One way to look at a culture is that it's an aggregate of opinions and behaviour of a large amount of individuals.

But you're right, I don't agree with their culture in this case. I don't feel any need to show deference to "culture", this one or anyone elses. Like I said, the way somebody thinks about the organisation in my OP is determined largely by how that person thinks about abortion. We don't think that cultural differences are an excuse for gender inequality or wife beating either. So why should "it's their culture, we shouldn't interfere" be a valid line of reasoning in any other case?

Here - people keep asking me if I believe in evolution and certain members do not take me seriously or give intellectual consideration to my opinions because they believe they are contaminated by religious thought.

Well, this is the backroom. Please don't tell me you ever felt intimidated by the atheists bullies here.

At work - Someone made an inappropriate comment regarding the Archbishop of Canterbury and child molesters (and Anglican priest in general), and then refused to see the comment as offensive or to apolagise even when I told him I felt the comment was inappropriate and uncalled for, and that I had friends who were priests - this was so offensive that it affected my working relationship with said person and management had to intervene and force him to apolagise.

Well, jokes like that are funny (to most people, anyway) because they are unappropriate on some level. To be honest it sounds like you're quickly offended. Do you feel the same way about jokes about lawyers, Irish etc?

I realize you have to be more careful with jokes in a work environment, but I've never met anyone who was offended by a priest/bishop joke. Then again catholics are pretty rare where I live and work, most are either godless or protestant.

I vaguely recall how someone (Idaho I think) posted a spoof article in the backroom that was about Tories but framed in such a way that it reminded the reader of radical muslims. You were pissed off then. To be honest I think you're quickly offended.

Socially - several times friends of friends have openly abused me or my religion in public for their own amusement. One particularly nasty individual kept this up for about 20 minutes while I was trapped at the table in a crowded pub, and drunk to boot.

I most certainly don't approve of that behaviour, but it sounds like you just had the back luck of running into obnoxious bigots a couple of times. That's a long way from concluding that you live in an opressive society that's hostile towards your religion, which is how I interpreted your post.

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Because I can't resist the urge, I'm ending this post with a bishop joke. Don't worry, it's in spoiler tags.

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**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-11-2012, 09:28

Originally Posted by Kralizec

One way to look at a culture is that it's an aggregate of opinions and behaviour of a large amount of individuals.

But you're right, I don't agree with their culture in this case. I don't feel any need to show deference to "culture", this one or anyone elses. Like I said, the way somebody thinks about the organisation in my OP is determined largely by how that person thinks about abortion. We don't think that cultural differences are an excuse for gender inequality or wife beating either. So why should "it's their culture, we shouldn't interfere" be a valid line of reasoning in any other case?

Fine - but let's not pretend it's not interference.

Well, this is the backroom. Please don't tell me you ever felt intimidated by the atheists bullies here.

I'm fair game - tell you about the love of my life and I'm mocked, basically branded a pervert, and the information is used by members to directly attack my faith.

How much of that would happen if I were gay, really?

[quote]Well, jokes like that are funny (to most people, anyway) because they are unappropriate on some level. To be honest it sounds like you're quickly offended. Do you feel the same way about jokes about lawyers, Irish etc?

I realize you have to be more careful with jokes in a work environment, but I've never met anyone who was offended by a priest/bishop joke. Then again catholics are pretty rare where I live and work, most are either godless or protestant.

I vaguely recall how someone (Idaho I think) posted a spoof article in the backroom that was about Tories but framed in such a way that it reminded the reader of radical muslims. You were pissed off then. To be honest I think you're quickly offended./quote]

Idaho likes to paint Tories as evil - which was what offended me, the article was not clever or funny.

Accusing the clergy of being child molesters en masse is not funny either.

I most certainly don't approve of that behaviour, but it sounds like you just had the back luck of running into obnoxious bigots a couple of times. That's a long way from concluding that you live in an opressive society that's hostile towards your religion, which is how I interpreted your post.

How many times does it have to happen before it's a pattern.

Because I can't resist the urge, I'm ending this post with a bishop joke. Don't worry, it's in spoiler tags.

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Why is that funny?

Is it because it offends me?

If so, why is that fun?

Point proved, I think. I'll leave you to it.

**Fragony** · 10-11-2012, 09:41

'Accusing the clergy of being child molesters en masse is not funny either.'

No it really isn't.

**Kralizec** · 10-11-2012, 10:07

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

How much of that would happen if I were gay, really?

DevDave and Navaros come to mind. The stuffy they said about homosexuals (and from the latter, atheists) was much more outrageous than any "anti-christian" bashing I've seen on this board. I laughed at most of that, too. To be fair DevDave was often just joking around. Navaros was dead serious, which is why he was funny.

Idaho likes to paint Tories as evil - which was what offended me, the article was not clever or funny.

Accusing the clergy of being child molesters en masse is not funny either.

I disagree on both.

How many times does it have to happen before it's a pattern.

How about daily, or at least once in every couple of days.

Why is that funny?

Is it because it offends me?

If so, why is that fun?

Point proved, I think. I'll leave you to it.

Pedo-priest jokes are funny because they're outrageous. I don't think the "outrage-factor" is that it's offensive to christians, but that it's about pedophelia.

My range of humor is very inclusive. If you know any good jokes about atheists, especially if they're offensive, please tell me.

Have you ever laughed at a joke that targets Germans, referencing WW2? Retard jokes? Irish, Scots, lawyers, or any other kind of joke that could be offensive to the people it refers to?

**Fragony** · 10-11-2012, 10:26

Anyone heard about the cleric who found a kid....the kid didn't find it all that funny

Muha instant joke. Take it Catholics just like your priests take boy-pussy your religion is nothing more than a criminal organisation.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 10-11-2012, 22:24

Originally Posted by Kralizec

DevDave and Navaros come to mind. The stuffy they said about homosexuals (and from the latter, atheists) was much more outrageous than any "anti-christian" bashing I've seen on this board. I laughed at most of that, too. To be fair DevDave was often just joking around. Navaros was dead serious, which is why he was funny.

I disagree on both.

How about daily, or at least once in every couple of days.

Pedo-priest jokes are funny because they're outrageous. I don't think the "outrage-factor" is that it's offensive to christians, but that it's about pedophelia.

My range of humor is very inclusive. If you know any good jokes about atheists, especially if they're offensive, please tell me.

Have you ever laughed at a joke that targets Germans, referencing WW2? Retard jokes? Irish, Scots, lawyers, or any other kind of joke that could be offensive to the people it refers to?

I think you're just really insensitive.

Try imagining being the happily married priest who gets called a "nonse" in the street, or worse the child who was/is abused.

Nothing about that is funny.

DevDave and Nav were frequently warned, and banned, for the things they said about homosexuals - so your comparison is not valid.

Have I ever laughed at tasteless jokes? Why, yes I have - but I grew up when I realised that you can tell those jokes and offend someone who's black/Irish/Gay and they won't laugh it off.

Here's the thing - you told a stupid joke about a Bishop and now I am offended. What you do about that is obviously up to you, but th decision you make will reflect what you think of me, as well as the Christians you were aiming at.

**Kralizec** · 10-12-2012, 11:24

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

I think you're just really insensitive.

Try imagining being the happily married priest who gets called a "nonse" in the street, or worse the child who was/is abused.

Nothing about that is funny.

DevDave and Nav were frequently warned, and banned, for the things they said about homosexuals - so your comparison is not valid.

Have I ever laughed at tasteless jokes? Why, yes I have - but I grew up when I realised that you can tell those jokes and offend someone who's black/Irish/Gay and they won't laugh it off.

Here's the thing - you told a stupid joke about a Bishop and now I am offended. What you do about that is obviously up to you, but th decision you make will reflect what you think of me, as well as the Christians you were aiming at.

I found it hard to believe someone could be seriously offended by a cleric joke. But that said; if someone is offended by a tasteless joke, there's just one option.

Sorry that I offended you.

Liking tasteless jokes is not a matter of maturity; there's no harm done if you keep the audience in mind (the joke in this thread was a mistake). I explained the reasons for that in that thread about Schadenfreude, by HoreTore.

DevDave and Nav were warned, but I'm pretty sure that the backroom mods have also punished members who bashed christianity and went too far. (mods? care to back me up on this?)

Unlike earlier times, Christianity is nowadays just as likely to be an object of scorn and derison as sexuality, political convictions or whatever other label you can think of. This is nothing more or less than parity, but you and others are insinuating that christians are being especially targeted or even persecuted.