I wasn't expecting gratitude, anybody hosting any type of online forum game for the gratitude is not going to have a good experience. I'm jumping down your throat over an apparent lack of knowledge of the effort that actually goes in to such a thing. Perhaps I'm wrong, but again, from what I've seen the complexity of Concert of Europe, faction vs faction, does not come close to what the Game of Thrones game tried to achieve. Of course, if I'm wrong my apologies to the hosts of CoE, I'm not trying to take anything away from them. The failure of the first game was my fault, I was much too ambitious, even when Beskar tried to simplify some of the more unwieldy aspects it was a huge task, making it more even simple would not have been a real ASoIaF experience. Well, in my opinion anyway.