At what point do we decide what is democratic and not?

**HoreTore** · 10-12-2012, 02:19

Extreme left and extreme right?

Nationalsocialism for you, then. Sverigedemokraterna it is

**Kadagar_AV** · 10-12-2012, 02:31

Originally Posted by HoreTore

Extreme left and extreme right?

Nationalsocialism for you, then. Sverigedemokraterna it is

Unfortunately those flowers are the closest option... My point however, is that if I can't find a party that supports my view in a system with 8 partys, what are the odds of me doing it in a country with one or two partys?

**Strike For The South** · 10-12-2012, 02:52

I shiver about the thought of living in Sweden

Couldn't deal with all the smug

**Kadagar_AV** · 10-12-2012, 03:01

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I shiver about the thought of living in Sweden

Couldn't deal with all the smug

I just love when you stumble into topics like a drunk from a western saloon scene... Is this where I should begin taking notes of your wisdom?

**Strike For The South** · 10-12-2012, 03:04

Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

I just love when you stumble into topics like a drunk from a western saloon scene... Is this where I should begin taking notes of your wisdom?

I can't help those who have already made up their mind.

**Papewaio** · 10-12-2012, 05:36

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

I shiver about the thought of living in Sweden

Couldn't deal with all the smug

Pot calling the kettle black, Texan.

**Fragony** · 10-12-2012, 07:52

Questions about what democracy must be are irrelevant as everything is decided in Brussels by the international-socialism.

**HopAlongBunny** · 10-12-2012, 08:17

I think we can safely say that when people stop showing up for the show, democracy no longer exists.

Theorists can maintain that complete lack of attention to the system and issues is in fact an endorsement of the status-quo; the position requires a bit of circular logic though.

**Ironside** · 10-12-2012, 08:22

One easy for democracy is: Can you, outside very unexpected events or very high popularity, predict who will win the election after the next?

Compare say Putin to predicting Obama in 2003.

For curiousity, any idea of why you ended up with that result Kadagar? Anti-EU and wanting lower taxes or?

To be fair to the US, they do have more people who are actively writing to thier congressman and such stuff.

**rory_20_uk** · 10-12-2012, 09:14

I days of yore (prior to computers) ballots had to be very simple to avoid mistakes.

These days things could be improved:

Local elections, voting for a person is more important than a party. National party is probably more important than the candidate themselves.
Voting options for one of the parties. If you feel that dumbly following one through thick and thin is a good idea.
If you tick other, then you get to weigh preference on a list of issues from 1 to 10 from a list of questions that is independantly created. The values from all other voters are then amalgamated and votes warded to parties based upon this.

Downside would be surprising outcomes.

**Beskar** · 10-12-2012, 15:20

Originally Posted by Fragony

Questions about what democracy must be are irrelevant as everything is decided in Brussels by the international-socialism.

In the EU, everything is decided in the back of Merkels car with Hollande, it is not even in Brussels. Could try to create a fully democratic institution, but nationalist interest rejects it, preferring cronyism of major European powers.