Why is everyone saying he would have suffered inhumane/degrading treatment in the US?
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Why is everyone saying he would have suffered inhumane/degrading treatment in the US?
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
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The CIA has a reputation of having No sense of humor when it comes to hackers here, it's feared he'll be given too harsh a sentance for something that was stupid and illegal but pretty much harmless. At least that's how I see it.
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It's America, the entire Justice System is inhumane.
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hy·per·bo·le/hīˈpərbəlē/
Noun:
Exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.
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America: Only Western "Civilised" nation with the death penalty.
I'm sorry, but if you guys didn't speak English, wear suits and have a majority-white population Europe wouldn't look at you.
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look at us for what?
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Yeah. We're awesome like that.
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The way I understand it is that the guy is mentally unstable and extradition would exacerbate his suicidal tendencies. Extradition to the US in this particular case would be inhumane, not in general.
It's also noteworthy that in order to refuse extradition the Home Secretary willfully used the Human Rights Act, which she repeatedly bashed on other occasions when it got in the way of extraditing brown people.
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Yeah, those who arrange acts of terrorism / incite violence are completely equal to a hacker looking for data on UFOs... the only difference is the colour of their skin!
Racist!! Raaaaaacist!!!
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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Private Mega-Prisons, the conditions are very bad. Makes Shawshank redemption look like paradise. Anyway, he should have been tried in Britain and sentenced in Britain and serve any time if needed in Britain, there is no need for an extradition.
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it had already been agreed that any custodial sentence would have been served in the UK apparently.
not often i agree with alan johnson, but this argument might cover it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-McKinnon.html
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Though for the sake of argument, couldn't they held the trial in an US Embassy? Even then, there didn't even need to be a trial since it is a guilty plea. I just have a preference for people to have the option of serving time in their respective countries opposed to foreign ones. So if Furunculus was getting tried in Russia for a crime, I believe he should be allowed to come to the UK to serve it out.
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I'm less convinced - why should you go home to some sort of very loose "house arrest" when otherwise you'd be under lockdown for 23 hours a day... and as in the case of the UK, why should we have to foot the bill for every person who commits a crime abroard?
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
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Depends on the nature of the treaty and with which countries, obviously. Typically within "Western" nations, they usually have binding agreements which they stick to.I'm less convinced - why should you go home to some sort of very loose "house arrest" when otherwise you'd be under lockdown for 23 hours a day... and as in the case of the UK, why should we have to foot the bill for every person who commits a crime abroard?
Days since the Apocalypse began
"We are living in space-age times but there's too many of us thinking with stone-age minds" | How to spot a Humanist
"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
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I'd just like to imagine what would happen if Britain just told the Americans to sod off.
USA: hey we want this hacker guy who's in your country.
UK: lol nope. fuck you.
The political ramifications would be beautiful to behold.
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