Academy of Elemental Magic [Concluded]

[TinCow]

I would happily do so, but thanks to you I seem to be unable. He's going to be difficult to kill at night now anyway because clearly he's going to be expecting to be attacked. His defenses will be up, and you will probably be helping with that as well. Lynching is really the only decent option.

[Jarema]

Edit: No but it implies it. That wording can be interpreted in two ways:

1. People that become college heads after the start of the game can be non-innocents.
2. Starting college heads can become non-innocents but aren't at the beginning.

fxed for you, now it is what I mean (both 1 and 2)

[Jarema]

Tally (I hope):

6 Edse: Elite Ferret, Alsark, issaikhaan, Ironside, Visorslash, johnhughtom
2 Xenoneb: White_eyes:D, Chaotix
2 Ironside: ATPG, edse

5 No Vote: Captain Blackadder, Autolycus, Memnon, Xenoneb, Robbiecon

[Ferret]

Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

[Riedquat]

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My master says you are not amusing anymore and he needs to look for a new puppet, suggestions accepted!
My master also ask, Are you freaking crazy?

No, no, no, NO, NO!

This is utterly ridiculous. Jarema said that the starting heads can become corrupted, NOT that they can become mafia. Those are two VERY different things.

Those are different things to you... TO YOU! Look I can't explain it for obvious reasons, but as I and my mates didn't have a clue what college masters do at night, you innocent people don't have a freaking clue how corruption works.

Doesn't say anything about Headmaster's can't be Mafia. No sir.

See, a master... without a freaking clue about corruption

Another issue is that we gain corruption from lynching/killing the wrong people. I think the Mafia's objective is to get our corruption high enough...(Since in the OP, it mentions the Mafia has "Unknown" victory conditions, rather then just "kill everyone")

If we lynch edse and he is innocent, everyone who voted him gain's corruption from it. I don't think it's a good thing to gather too much of it.(Why my vote is staying off him or Ironside, I am settling this like a real mage would.)

I think I mentioned the cult VC's while alive, I don't see the point of raising your corruption when I wanted to raise mine, not saying is impossible, no clue about the other group VC's

Having between 1 and 3 corruption shouldn't be a problem anyway.

You lynched half of us for having that amount...

Earth av/dv is 1/2 as it were from the beginning.

the others are fire 0/1, air 1/2 and water 4/2

My 1 corruption point is from lynching ninjacow.

And HP 12 right? You should be lynched for having so lame stats!!

As a confirmed innocent Air student, I would like to note that I trust Ironside over ATPG. I believe edse should be lynched and, if he flips innocent, we can thing pick between ATPG and Ironside. However, between the two I'd prefer an ATPG lynch. ATPG's actions have increasingly skewed towards his typical anti-town chaos; if someone was recruited I think it's more likely it was ATPG than Ironside. This is exactly the kind of situation that ATPG would engineer to cause chaos in an otherwise relatively peaceful and united town. Still, lynch edse first.

As a confirmed scum I strongly agree with Tincow, yet I would suggest a more drastic course of action, lynch edse now, whatever he turns to be, vig both Atpg and Ironside, but be sure at least one of them dies! Lynch the other tomorrow.

[Ferret]

You lynched half of us for having that amount...

We lynched you for admitting you were in a cult...

[Riedquat]

We lynched you for admitting you were in a cult...

Yeah right, because crying out loud and accusing khaan of a faulty result was going to save me... is working great for edse and he is a headmaster...

[Chaotix]

ATPG, I will accept the elemental lens if you still want to give it out.

Just letting you know your options. I think you are wrong about edse, but best to keep the options open till we know which is right.

Also if you are right somebody is probably going to kill you tonight, which means its a good idea to give out the lens regardless.

Anyway. This game is getting a little too crazy for me. I thought we had almost won it already, and now this shenanigans comes up with FIVE pages in a single day phase. Not cool, mang.

[Jarema]

This was a day of a fierce discussion. First, one student, called Askthepizzaguy, accused Edse of being utterly corrupted, and, therefore, scum. But then, he withdrawn his accusation and started to mount another cases... But people were sold on his first lead, arguing that items cannot lie. So, Edse was lynched.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Edse was head of Hydromancers! He was innocent

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Fluid Sculpture was found on his body. It will be given to the College of Waves

Night begins.

[Chaotix]

Crap.

Add another tally mark to the "ATPG was right" board.

Somebody is going to pay for this.

[Ferret]

Please don't forget the possibility that he is responsible for this. We now know that one of two people is mafia, this is hardly that bad a situation to be in.

[TinCow]

Hah, serves me right. So, ATPG or Ironside. One of them is likely scum. This will take some contemplation.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now, it is finished.

I am either guilty or Ironside is. I warned you all. You failed to act, because you lack the cojones that I have.

I'm kidding. Remember ATPG is a character I play and damn if it doesn't feel good to play him today.

In all seriousness, I gave you everything you needed. The host confirmed headmasters can become corrupted. EVERY PERSON who has seen the Aeromancers quicktopics KNOWS FOR A FACT that only Ironside or myself (or Tincow, but he's died and flipped already) knew what we were doing last night.


The fact of the matter, boys and girls, is that either myself or Ironside caused this to happen.

The fact is, Ironside made sure the item got to me.

Ironside told me who to scan.

I'm a claimed mason with an investigatory item and I am not being killed off like El Barto was.

I was told to scan Edse and I faithfully reported the result, OR, I am guilty.

But I also deduced, just from talking to Edse, in front of all of you, and found out that he was innocent. Because, as HHH would put it, I am the game, and I am that, damn, good.

So you have two choices.

Either Askthepizzaguy is guilty, or Ironside is.

And now I have additional targets for you.

Visorslash looks guilty, and so does Elite Ferret. But you must begin with Ironside.

These are the people most directly responsible for this.

Keep in mind,

Elite Ferret is in the college of wind. He was recruited into the college a while back and recently got promoted. We had kind of a very difficult spat between us in our quicktopic, wherein I accused him of being scum. But Ironside talked me down from it.

Ironside has promoted Elite Ferret. But he's also provided alibi for Alsark.

I no longer trust Elite Ferret given his earlier behavior in the game, where he accused me of being scum over and over and over in private. But his actions today solidify it. He's definitely gotta be guilty.

Ironside, it's no question at all. Only Ironside could have framed Edse, or myself, and I hold the Askthepizzaguy card, and if you kill me, you'll get to see it.

I want to say that I warned you. Perhaps too late, but I would think a day's time is plenty of warning that the scan is wrong and a half day should be plenty of time to get the suspect right.

Now you must listen.

I have made your choices very simple. Either I am guilty or Ironside is, (or both).

So let's finish this. Askthepizzaguy goes out in a blaze of absolute glory.




I invite EVERYONE In THE GAME to attack Ironside *AND* myself. Divide it up 50/50 if you like.



When Ironside flips scum, you must destroy Visorslash, and then Elite Ferret, in that order, and keep an eye on Alsark. Given what I know of Ironside now, it cannot be assumed that the events of last night weren't a deliberate alibi-creation device.

And I have outed everyone in the Wind College. All of these people could have been my allies, and had been trusting me. So ask yourselves why, if I am scum, I didn't just accept the edse lynch today, and why I tossed all my college-mates to the wolves.




I know it's unpalatable, but sometimes crazy old Pizzaman is right. It's time for someone to pay the piper, and if you lack the vision to determine which it is, I cordially invite you to hedge your bets.

Also, after the game, someone owes me some congratulations for sniffing this plot out before it even happened. Have you ever seen someone do this in a game before? I freaking rule. You better believe it.

[Ferret]

Keep in mind,

Elite Ferret is in the college of wind. He was recruited into the college a while back and recently got promoted. We had kind of a very difficult spat between us in our quicktopic, wherein I accused him of being scum. But Ironside talked me down from it.

Ironside has promoted Elite Ferret. But he's also provided alibi for Alsark.

I no longer trust Elite Ferret given his earlier behavior in the game, where he accused me of being scum over and over and over in private. But his actions today solidify it. He's definitely gotta be guilty.

Just to clarify this for everyone: I was suspicious of ATPG's behaviour and mason claim (as I have already mentioned here) so I put those suspicions up in the quicktopic expecting ATPG to simply inform me of why they were false and how he wasn't mafia. If he was innocent this would have been easy to do. Instead he got agressive and pulled out an OMGUS accusation on me, saying that I must be scum for 'shooting down' his wonderful idea of giving the head of our rival college a useful item. His only reasoning was: "you're probably dangerous to the town given your anti-Earth attitude", which is ridiculous, especially as TinCow opposed it just as strongly as I did. I accused him of being mafia once, and he reacted waaay stronger than was needed.

Ironside did not talk him out of it, in fact he actually agreed with ATPG. This line is a clear and pathetic attempt to make me and Ironside look cosy, to support his theory about us both being mafia. Everyone in the college of wind knows this is not true. Ironside has shown preference to ATPG at every opportunity, he was recruited before me, promoted to disciple before me, promoted to wielder before me and given the Lens instead of me.

Ironside, it's no question at all. Only Ironside could have framed Edse, or myself, and I hold the Askthepizzaguy card, and if you kill me, you'll get to see it.

Yeah because you won't flip college of wind will you? It'll be something different.


I'm not saying Ironside is innocent but unless ATPG flips innocent then there is no evidence against him whatsoever. ATPG has been acting suspiciously the entire game. Constantly wanting to raise his corruption 'to see what happens', always claiming he cannot be mafia because he was a mason. Almost every single action of his has aroused my suspicions. Ironside on the other hand has been an effective college head and not once, until edse-gate, had any thoughts of him being mafia crossed my mind.

I propose we kill ATPG tonight, if he flips guilty then we move on. If he flips innocent then we lynch Ironside. If Ironside then flips innocent we are well and truly screwed.

[edse]

Mmm

What happen to people who lynch their own headmaster? Didn't Jarema mention something horrible?

So, Elite Ferret, you thought ATPG was scum and yet advocated my lynch based on his scan result

[Ironside]

I propose we kill ATPG tonight, if he flips guilty then we move on. If he flips innocent then we lynch Ironside. If Ironside then flips innocent we are well and truly screwed.

I fear that we are dealing with the last scenario actually. I know I'm innocent and ATPG does appear to have scanned edse (av and dv matches). In light of that:

'khaan, pick one (none of below is an option). It won't hurt. Much.

Memnon
Robbiecon
Johnhughtom

Edit:
Now I don't mind me being wrong, so I'll prefer you taking down ATPG first. I'll be in permanent confirmable order lockdown anyway, so I can't do anything more than 1 unsupervised night action. And I would already do it tonight if I was scum.

[Riedquat]

Oh god! this is too good to let it pass!!!

I'm not saying Ironside is innocent but unless ATPG flips innocent then there is no evidence against him whatsoever. ATPG has been acting suspiciously the entire game. Constantly wanting to raise his corruption 'to see what happens', always claiming he cannot be mafia because he was a mason. Almost every single action of his has aroused my suspicions. Ironside on the other hand has been an effective college head and not once, until edse-gate, had any thoughts of him being mafia crossed my mind.

He knew what was going to happen!! This is what happens! How much corruption do you got Atpg? Tell us how it feels?

I really wish to be alive to perform the hit...

[seireikhaan]

Huh. Well I'll be darned. Guess there's some interesting decisions tonight.

[TinCow]

Alright, so here's what we know to be true. ATPG scanned edse, got an Utterly Corrupted result, but edse flipped innocent. That means that either ATPG was lying about the result, or something interfered with the result. If something interfered with the result, odds are very high that someone who knew about the investigation plan was involved in skewing the scan. Otherwise, the odds of successfully predicting who a scan would be performed on on any particular night are very low. I don't think it's realistic that the scum would waste a night action this late in the game just randomly hoping that a scan would occur on a particular target. As ATPG has said, only three people knew about his plan to scan edse before it happened, him, me, and Ironside. I am dead and innocent; that leaves ATPG and Ironside. ATPG is correct that he was ordered to scan edse by Ironside, though he is incorrect that Ironside ordered that he be given the Lenses. That was actually my suggestion, and Ironside simply acquiesced to it.

Before edse's lynch, I said that the second most likely option was that ATPG was scum, with Ironside-as-scum being the least likely option. In hindsight, that was because I thought it unlikely that edse would flip innocent, which was both prejudicing my perception of ATPG's argument and making me put relatively little effort into analysis of that scenario. Since that scenario is now reality, I cannot reach the same conclusion that I did before. ATPG's actions are absolutely insane if he is scum; by that I mean just plain dumb, not the usual ATPG being predictably unpredictable. When ATPG tries to frame someone, he doesn't do a lazy job that instantly points the finger at him as the obvious culprit once the frame-job is revealed, particularly in a game where that reveal is instantaneous. Ironside has done a superb job leading the Air college throughout this game and it is a shame it has to come to this, but I am forced to conclude that he was recruited and intentionally engineered this situation. I recommend that Ironside be attacked by pretty much everyone tonight. Ignore all other targets, just focus on him alone. I also recommend that you use Air to do those attacks, for reasons I cannot discuss.

As a side note, this entire situation also makes me FoS: 'khaan. If one headmaster can be recruited, then so can another. If I was mafia, 'khaan would be recruitment target number one after the failure to kill him several nights before. I suggest that the Earth college perform some scrutiny on 'khaan's QT statements throughout the game, and see if you notice a shift in his behavior at any point.

[Askthepizzaguy]

For the record, I'm an evil, evil bastard and I would have loved to have become scum this game, and I would have come to any team pre-corrupted if Ironside had let me.

But nay, I never increased my corruption, and so therefore, I have pathetic defenses. You can kill me easily.

I am attacking Ironside tonight. Join me?

Edit: Specifically, my defenses are 2 in every element, as I posted in the air quicktopic. So any very strong attack should do wonders.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Alright, so here's what we know to be true. ATPG scanned edse, got an Utterly Corrupted result, but edse flipped innocent. That means that either ATPG was lying about the result, or something interfered with the result. If something interfered with the result, odds are very high that someone who knew about the investigation plan was involved in skewing the scan. Otherwise, the odds of successfully predicting who a scan would be performed on on any particular night are very low. I don't think it's realistic that the scum would waste a night action this late in the game just randomly hoping that a scan would occur on a particular target. As ATPG has said, only three people knew about his plan to scan edse before it happened, him, me, and Ironside. I am dead and innocent; that leaves ATPG and Ironside. ATPG is correct that he was ordered to scan edse by Ironside, though he is incorrect that Ironside ordered that he be given the Lenses. That was actually my suggestion, and Ironside simply acquiesced to it.

Before edse's lynch, I said that the second most likely option was that ATPG was scum, with Ironside-as-scum being the least likely option. In hindsight, that was because I thought it unlikely that edse would flip innocent, which was both prejudicing my perception of ATPG's argument and making me put relatively little effort into analysis of that scenario. Since that scenario is now reality, I cannot reach the same conclusion that I did before. ATPG's actions are absolutely insane if he is scum; by that I mean just plain dumb, not the usual ATPG being predictably unpredictable. When ATPG tries to frame someone, he doesn't do a lazy job that instantly points the finger at him as the obvious culprit once the frame-job is revealed, particularly in a game where that reveal is instantaneous. Ironside has done a superb job leading the Air college throughout this game and it is a shame it has to come to this, but I am forced to conclude that he was recruited and intentionally engineered this situation. I recommend that Ironside be attacked by pretty much everyone tonight. Ignore all other targets, just focus on him alone. I also recommend that you use Air to do those attacks, for reasons I cannot discuss.

As a side note, this entire situation also makes me FoS: 'khaan. If one headmaster can be recruited, then so can another. If I was mafia, 'khaan would be recruitment target number one after the failure to kill him several nights before. I suggest that the Earth college perform some scrutiny on 'khaan's QT statements throughout the game, and see if you notice a shift in his behavior at any point.

This post makes me feel a swell of warm feelings. QFT

Thank you, sincerely. You put some real consideration into this, and tried to read my actions from what you know of me. That's really all I ask of people. I'm not unreadable.

You have chosen.... wisely!

[Riedquat]

For the record, I'm an evil, evil bastard and I would have loved to have become scum this game, and I would have come to any team pre-corrupted if Ironside had let me.

But nay, I never increased my corruption, and so therefore, I have pathetic defenses. You can kill me easily.

I am attacking Ironside tonight. Join me?

I wish! :P

Just a non bad intentioned question, this item you used, originally had any restriction of any kind? That shield of awesomeness we voted first day had a limitation, only non corrupted townies could use it or something like that, if these lenses had something similar... You don't have any corruption at all? Something that messed up the investigation result?

While I really like this scenario, something seems to be wrong...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Heads up to the rock peoples:

Alsark asked Ironside about attacking Khaan (heck, I've been a big cheerleader for attacking the rock peoples in private too) and Ironside declined.

So, although I want, very much, to believe that Khaan is still on the town's side, the possibility is that the Geomancer headmaster is corrupted along with Ironside, just as Tincow has reluctantly suggested.

Khaan, you're a beautiful human being, especially in this game. I love ya, but I have to put you on that suspect list as well. But if you're town, then you still have time to help the others take down Ironside or myself.

Whichever you prefer, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I won't take it personally if you choose me, after all, I am pointing fingers at you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I wish! :P

Just a non bad intentioned question, this item you used, originally had any restriction of any kind? That shield of awesomeness we voted first day had a limitation, only non corrupted townies could use it or something like that, if these lenses had something similar... You don't have any corruption at all? Something that messed up the investigation result?

While I really like this scenario, something seems to be wrong...

You're enjoying yourself entirely too much, dead man. Your veneer of confidence seems to be a put-on, as you've celebrated all of our choices most vociferously, even the ones which were truly a negative for you. So you're simply trying to keep up the charade.

Do enjoy yourself, I know I would in your situation. But reverse psychology is child's play to deconstruct. Try something more challenging.

[seireikhaan]

Heads up to the rock peoples:

Alsark asked Ironside about attacking Khaan (heck, I've been a big cheerleader for attacking the rock peoples in private too) and Ironside declined.

So, although I want, very much, to believe that Khaan is still on the town's side, the possibility is that the Geomancer headmaster is corrupted along with Ironside, just as Tincow has reluctantly suggested.

Khaan, you're a beautiful human being, especially in this game. I love ya, but I have to put you on that suspect list as well. But if you're town, then you still have time to help the others take down Ironside or myself.

Whichever you prefer, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I won't take it personally if you choose me, after all, I am pointing fingers at you.

When was this asked? If he was guilty, why would he not agree to attacking me? It would mean either we are both scum, or he has a very wonky strategy that involves not killing off direct rivals that got a bunch of his buddies lynched. This seems almost like a bait thing to put out there to try and force me into attacking Ironside. I... don't much appreciate being blackmailed.

[Visor]

Still can't read me Pizza?

I will reply to the text walls soon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't blindly follow ATPG townies, think for yourselves.

Where have I heard this before?

Nobody was even following me besides edse. Gosh you scums frighten easily.

[Askthepizzaguy]

When was this asked? If he was guilty, why would he not agree to attacking me? It would mean either we are both scum, or he has a very wonky strategy that involves not killing off direct rivals that got a bunch of his buddies lynched. This seems almost like a bait thing to put out there to try and force me into attacking Ironside. I... don't much appreciate being blackmailed.

LOL

Khaan, you're one of my favorite players for a reason. I toss roses at your feet. Bravo on the delivery of that line.

In case you're wondering, this was just last night. So it was during the period when ironside was guilty.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Still can't read me Pizza?

I will reply to the text walls soon.

I'm doing a better job reading than you are.

Love your dropping in via mobile to urge people to vote for edse right as I finished speechifying.

I'm out with friends. If anything else of note has been posted I may change my vote. ATM I think we should lynch edse.

[Visor]

I'm doing a better job reading than you are.

Love your dropping in via mobile to urge people to vote for edse right as I finished speechifying.

To be fair, all my posts have been via mobile device since ATPG mafia 2 (and I don't know why). I posted that before I left (not that you will believe me/or that it matters).

I think I can be a lot more convincing then: I think we should lynch edse. Don't you?