Is Islam true?.

[total relism]

So woman are now smart enough and are no longer minority in haven? or woman only had to stand in corner of heaven for there husbands to come have sex with them in 600 ad when the eternal book the koran was written? the koran that has no mistakes or lies in it?. Can you provide any verse that abrogate these? as that is what would happen for a old passage to pass away as koran says.

thank you for being on topic sir.

[Fragony]

So woman are now smart enough and are no longer minority in haven? or woman only had to stand in corner of heaven for there husbands to come have sex with them in 600 ad when the eternal book the koran was written? the koran that has no mistakes or lies in it?. Can you provide any verse that abrogate these? as that is what would happen for a old passage to pass away as koran says.

thank you for being on topic sir.

Of course I can't provide anything like that. And my opinion on the islam isn't very different from yours probably. But at least be fair you can't explain a culture with a book things are always more complicated.

[total relism]

I agree 100%.

[Fragony]

I agree 100%.

And I am not really sure about you

[lars573]

Yes Islam is true. If Christianity is true, Islam pretty much has to be.

[Hax]

Example, it's not true that muslims aren't allowed to have non-muslims as friends, it really says 'protectors' in arab and that sits perfectly well with the situation at the time being.

There are interpretations of Islam that condemn exactly that. The Kharijites were particularly prone to the idea of "stay away from non-believers" (i.e. everyone except them) and the idea of walâyah wa bara‘a (inclusion and exclusion) still carries some importance in Ibadism and certain groups within the Salafist movement.

[Strike For The South]

Do I need to break out all the odd verses in the bible or would that be an excise in futility at this point.

[Kadagar_AV]

Do I need to break out all the odd verses in the bible or would that be an excise in futility at this point.

I already did the exercise in futility in the other thread. Well, quite some at least.

[Slyspy]

Not so long ago I was told that the cake was a lie.

[total relism]

Yes Islam is true. If Christianity is true, Islam pretty much has to be.

That seems a wee bit like a form of circular logic.

Do I need to break out all the odd verses in the bible or would that be an excise in futility at this point.

Please star a thread.Not here.

[HoreTore]

Please star a thread.Not here.

Very few threads here maintain the same topic for more than the first two pages. If a thread is still discussing the original topic on page 3, that's an exception...

There's both an upside and a downside to that, of course...

[Lemur]

Please star a thread.Not here.

Very few threads here maintain the same topic for more than the first two pages.

What's more, when someone wades into the BR with walls of copy&paste, striking about twenty controversial assertions per paragraph, it's kinda absurd/laughable to keep demanding that the posters stay on topic. If you begin with a shotgun blast of far-right Christianist talking points, you can hardly object when people respond in kind.

In other words, if I post a fourteen-paragraph screed about how the world is flat, and the Illuminati control all media, and monarchy is the natural state of man, and all of this is merely an accepted underpinning for the obvious conclusion that moon Nazis are going to invade Earth, I can hardly demand that everyone stay on topic for questioning/poking the assumptions that underpin my moon Nazi theory.

[Kadagar_AV]

What's more, when someone wades into the BR with walls of copy&paste, striking about twenty controversial assertions per paragraph, it's kinda absurd/laughable to keep demanding that the posters stay on topic. If you begin with a shotgun blast of far-right Christianist talking points, you can hardly object when people respond in kind.

In other words, if I post a fourteen-paragraph screed about how the world is flat, and the Illuminati control all media, and monarchy is the natural state of man, and all of this is merely an accepted underpinning for the obvious conclusion that moon Nazis are going to invade Earth, I can hardly demand that everyone stay on topic for questioning/poking the assumptions that underpin my moon Nazi theory.

I think people use "LOL" way-y-y-y too much.... but LOL!!!

[Kralizec]

Lemur that is ridiculous.

Everyone who has his eyes open knows that the Freemasons are the real power behind the Illuminati, and by extension, the media.

[total relism]

What's more, when someone wades into the BR with walls of copy&paste, striking about twenty controversial assertions per paragraph, it's kinda absurd/laughable to keep demanding that the posters stay on topic. If you begin with a shotgun blast of far-right Christianist talking points, you can hardly object when people respond in kind.

In other words, if I post a fourteen-paragraph screed about how the world is flat, and the Illuminati control all media, and monarchy is the natural state of man, and all of this is merely an accepted underpinning for the obvious conclusion that moon Nazis are going to invade Earth, I can hardly demand that everyone stay on topic for questioning/poking the assumptions that underpin my moon Nazi theory.

Agreed and good point, however, I did start another thread for that topic. So it would be better to post on that thread.

[Hax]

Are you afraid of Muslims, total_relism​?

[total relism]

So what are people opinion on Islam, are there no Muslims wishing to defend the things that have been said here.?



Some more reasons to question islam.


koran says in many places, that apostles went out into all nations teaching isalm before Muhammad. Why is there no evidence for islam in preislamic nations?
shadows are animals bowing down to god 16.48-54
the lowest heaven [stars] filled with missiles to pelt the devils with 67 4-5
false idea of trinity mary as god 5 114- 117
confusion on who mary is 19.26-30
sun setting in a pool of dark muddy water 18.84-86
shadows are animals bowing down to god 16.48-54
satan can be in upper part of peoples nose while they sleep causing them to make up in middle of night, so people should blow there nose
satan urinated in a Muslims ears,causing him to not get up from bed to do his prayers.
Satan farts,so he does not hear certain prayers of Muslims.
Yawning is from satan
the sun rises between the two heads of satan
fever is from the heat of hell fire so treat with water
hell fire causes heat and cold summer winter.
Muhammad taught one wing on fly has disease,other wing the cure.
Adam was 90 feet tall
allah transformed some jews into apes because they did not follow the Sabbath 2.65-66
Is it true that the koran is not to be left open and untended so a devil or jinn cannot come along and read it? Or put on the ground,witch would cause wrath from allah?
The hadith says “if the koran was wrapped in a skin and thrown into a fire it would not burn” [al-tirmidui.652
Muhammad hates poets Ibn Ishaq, p. 106—[Muhammad said:] Now none of God’s creatures was more hateful to me than an (ecstatic) poet or a man possessed: I could not even look at them. I thought, Woe is me poet or possessed—Never shall Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and gain rest.

Muhammad said he could be found in the bible and that the bible told of his coming,yet he is not in there at all, islams top debater trying to desperatley, show this to be true,but fails.
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010...hammad-in.html

Christianity can explain the origin of Islam,but Islam cannot explain Christianity
The bible says that there will be false prophets who will mislead many after the bible. So we would aspect a religion like Islam. But if Islam is true than Allah created the world biggest religion Christianity, by deceiving people and accidentally creating the worlds largest belief system counter to his own.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Autho...eptive_god.htm
Allah is all knowing yet in 18.22 he is unsure how many people are saved.
some things forbidden in Koran, like many sexual partners and liberal use of wine, are allowed in haven.
If Islam is so great were are the Islamic nations that everyone is trying to get to? Islam has direct access to a lot of wealth oil etc.
allah tells us not to sin.but created us imperfect
If allah is impersonal and does not reveal himself, than how do we know that allah reveled to Muhammad?
If the jews and christian corrupted scripture, how can we know the Muslims didn't? Maybe the Mormons came and corrected us all
why would gods perfect word from haven need to be corrected? 2.110
why did god not protect his earlier scripture the torah and gospal?
How can koran be a eternal book in haven if it will be abrogated later when Jesus returns? Abolishing christian -Muslim relation rules in koran.such as jiza
allah is not all just, he allows sin to go unpunished

[Rhyfelwyr]

In other words, if I post a fourteen-paragraph screed about how the world is flat, and the Illuminati control all media, and monarchy is the natural state of man, and all of this is merely an accepted underpinning for the obvious conclusion that moon Nazis are going to invade Earth, I can hardly demand that everyone stay on topic for questioning/poking the assumptions that underpin my moon Nazi theory.

Brilliant! That laugh was just what I needed, thank you.

[HoreTore]

So what are people opinion on Islam, are there no Muslims wishing to defend the things that have been said here.?

If you wish to debate a muslim, might I suggest you go to a place where you can actually find muslims...?

The closest thing we have among the regular contributors in the backroom is Hax, our resident weird buddhist.

Edit: I'm not asking you to leave, of course, just informing you that the kind of discussion you seem to be after is impossible to get at this forum, due to a lack of that particular kind of person.

[Lemur]

The closest thing we have among the regular contributors in the backroom is Hax, our resident weird buddhist.

Edit: I'm not asking you to leave, of course, just informing you that the kind of discussion you seem to be after is impossible to get at this forum, due to a lack of that particular kind of person.

Hmm, we have a couple of Muslims, such as LEN, but I think they're so sick and tired of the anti-Muslim stuff that they've stopped responding.

Can't say I blame 'em.

[total relism]

If you wish to debate a muslim, might I suggest you go to a place where you can actually find muslims...?

The closest thing we have among the regular contributors in the backroom is Hax, our resident weird buddhist.

Edit: I'm not asking you to leave, of course, just informing you that the kind of discussion you seem to be after is impossible to get at this forum, due to a lack of that particular kind of person.

Damn, interesting though, twc has many. They often dont debate long though. I was hoping they would here more. But yes, good to keep thread going,good info for people who are interested.

[Strike For The South]

Its hard to debate someone who has no idea about what hes talking about.

If someone tells me AIDS is God punishment for the gays, well that's obviously untrue.

I can point to a subculture that was repressed and was subsequently forced underground, leading to lots of unprotected sex and unknown partners.

it is in fact Anal sex (and IV drug use but that's another bag of cats) that is the root cause for the higher incidence of the disease among people, not just gays. The risk of catching aids assuming you are on the receiving end of anal sex is 1 in 4. In heterosexual sex it is something like 1 in 800.

The anonymity alluded to earlier lead to a lot of rapid turnover of partners leading to a rapid exchange of the disease when viral loads are at their higherst

The fastest growing group of the infected are heterosexual black females, no doubt many of whom worship the same God whose intent it supposedly was to kill off the homos

At which point the goalposts get moved to punishment as a society for tolerating gays and God just KNEW anal sex would be the perfect incubator for this diseases.

It is not a debate, it is not a quest for knowledge. It is a conformation bias circle jerk

[Kadagar_AV]

TR, I think people will take your one-man crusade more seriously if you framed more thoughts of your own mate.

You seem to copy paste material you have barely understood yourself, then you skim what others write and get a basic understanding for about what arguments they have, then you hit them with even more quotes you have barely understood yourself.

It's like you follow some script instead of thinking for yourself, sorry, but that is really what you come off as. So again, frame your OWN thoughts... Think hard about what people try and tell you, and frame your OWN reply.


To use other people as sources is great, but only to the extent of highlighting your own points.

But then, you seem more interested in getting your opinion heard, than you are of debating.

[HoreTore]

Its hard to debate someone who has no idea about what hes talking about.

If someone tells me AIDS is God punishment for the gays, well that's obviously untrue.

I can point to a subculture that was repressed and was subsequently forced underground, leading to lots of unprotected sex and unknown partners.

it is in fact Anal sex (and IV drug use but that's another bag of cats) that is the root cause for the higher incidence of the disease among people, not just gays. The risk of catching aids assuming you are on the receiving end of anal sex is 1 in 4. In heterosexual sex it is something like 1 in 800.

The anonymity alluded to earlier lead to a lot of rapid turnover of partners leading to a rapid exchange of the disease when viral loads are at their higherst

The fastest growing group of the infected are heterosexual black females, no doubt many of whom worship the same God whose intent it supposedly was to kill off the homos

At which point the goalposts get moved to punishment as a society for tolerating gays and God just KNEW anal sex would be the perfect incubator for this diseases.

It is not a debate, it is not a quest for knowledge. It is a conformation bias circle jerk

So.... You're saying god hates homos and black people...?

Possibly women as well? An eye-opener!!

[total relism]

TR, I think people will take your one-man crusade more seriously if you framed more thoughts of your own mate.

You seem to copy paste material you have barely understood yourself, then you skim what others write and get a basic understanding for about what arguments they have, then you hit them with even more quotes you have barely understood yourself.

It's like you follow some script instead of thinking for yourself, sorry, but that is really what you come off as. So again, frame your OWN thoughts... Think hard about what people try and tell you, and frame your OWN reply.


To use other people as sources is great, but only to the extent of highlighting your own points.

But then, you seem more interested in getting your opinion heard, than you are of debating.

Thank you for the tip,I am sorry you get this impression, could i ask what you are referring to. What part of this thread i have done so? I have given my thought throughout. When I copy paste, it is references, quotes, Koranic verse, or debates. I feel debate is about contesting two diffident opinions.

[Hax]

It's a rather silly discussion though. In the end, it's not for us to decide how people regard their faith.

You see, these discussions eventually boil down to something like "but the Qur‘an says this!", to which somebody else will reply "but it means​ this!"

[lars573]

That seems a wee bit like a form of circular logic.

Not really. Islam is just as much a Semitic death cult as Judaism or Christianity. And just as valid. As either all religions are right, or none of them are.

[total relism]

Not really. Islam is just as much a Semitic death cult as Judaism or Christianity. And just as valid. As either all religions are right, or none of them are.

That is terrible logic, all contradictory "religions" are true. or they are all false. They can neither be all true or all false, as they contradict. Well they could all be false.

All pizza has ham as a toping
either all pizzas have ham as a topping or none do
so all have ham.

Some do some dont.

[Sir Moody]

Muslims believe the God they worship is the same God both Jews and Christians Worship - the differences come from the prophets

Islam rejects Jesus's Divinity and instead consider him a messenger of god - since Muhammad (also a messenger of God) arrived on the scene later his words take precedence over Jesus's

Christianity believes that their namesake was the son of God and as such his teachings are the direct word of God

Judaism rejects both Jesus and Muhammad as prophets

the core beliefs are the same (follow Gods code and lead a good life and be rewarded in the afterlife, deviate and you will be punished for all eternity) - this is what is refereed to as a "Death cult"

to use your Pizza analogy - all 3 Pizza's have ham, you are just arguing over how much ham is right...

[Hax]

Why use the example of ham?

That's offensive.

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