Is Islam true?.

[total relism]

Why did you even make this thread?

well I watched this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLKarYXjG4c

I think many in america [were I live] are so politically correct that they do not see the dangers of Islam. I also have studied the koran/islam and wish for people to at least have the info to have a educated understanding of the negatives of it, its truth claims. I also like to discus/debate subjects such as this one.

[Kadagar_AV]

well I watched this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLKarYXjG4c

I think many in america [were I live] are so politically correct that they do not see the dangers of Islam. I also have studied the koran/islam and wish for people to at least have the info to have a educated understanding of the negatives of it, its truth claims. I also like to discus/debate subjects such as this one.

I'm interested, and have some sources of my own.

To introduce yourself, why dont you make a new thread explaining what YOU think, and let us discuss it :)

[total relism]

I'm interested, and have some sources of my own.

To introduce yourself, why dont you make a new thread explaining what YOU think, and let us discuss it :)

I think Islam is a false religion, false belief, I think Muhammad was a false prophet, who elevated 7th century pagan beliefs and local moon deity allah to religious single god status.

[total relism]

For example
pre -Islamic Arabia-human teachings
Muhammad took 7th century Arabian culture and elevated it to religious status pre Islamic Jewish monotheism, many non biblical apocrypha teachings found in Koran of Jesus clay birds to life speaking at birth [bible says his first miracle was in john 2.11 as adult], Mary giving birth under tree, 5 prayers, pray towards mecca, fast of Ramadan,circling the ka'bah,dietary laws clothing shirke? Chief authority civil rights,woman's veil, woman wear black ,men wear white, virgins in heaven ka'bah was holiest site in pre Islamic Arabia, jinn, lunar calender,the acount of cain and abel came from pre islamic jewish sources, all done by pre Islamic pagans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91hXGWrU6j4
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-.../dp/0310248124
Mohamed just brought his local tribe god in Arabia Allah to a higher status there were many gods in Arabia at the time he just brought his local tribes already existing moon god to higher status.
that is why they have a crescent moon thats Allah the local pagan deity of Arabia
http://www.christianministriesintl.org/resources.html the religion of Islam
word Muslim used in pre Islamic Arabia and story of sun setting in mirkey water from pre islam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91hXGWrU6j4HYPERLINK "https://www.youtube.com/watch?

[Montmorency]

[spankythehippo]

Are we responding with videos now? Here's my contribution.

[Fragony]

Laugh all you want but the OP has a point, there really aren't enough deers in the world for the amount of the bambi-eyes I would need to defend islam. They would get extinct.

[Hax]

Let me just say this: Islam is nothing more than a mould (I don't mean a fungus). If you think it's a horrible violent desert ideology (interestingly, early Christianity and Judaism fit that idea much more, as Islam was developed in a cosmopolitan environment), that's okay. If you believe Muhammad was a proto-feminist, that's okay too. If you believe he and the early Muslims were socialists, that's okay too.

Don't forget that most of the things we know about Muhammad date from over a hundred to two-hundred years after his death. What makes him interesting as a character is not so much what he did or said, but what different kinds of Muslims think he did or said.

The question "is Islam true?" is a question that only works when you're actively trying to look for the truth. Personally, I'm not interested in that at all. I would much rather look at how many different kinds of people hold vastly differing opinions about what Islam is and still all regard themselves as Muslims. Confronted with this diversity within the religious framework itself, we can't possibly say something such as "Islam is x".

I also have studied the koran/islam and wish for people to at least have the info to have a educated understanding of the negatives of it,

Can you read Arabic? Aramaic? Hebrew? Syriac? Greek? In order to fully understand the Qur‘ân in its historical context, knowledge of interaction between religions in the Arabian peninsula is absolutely vital.

[total relism]

You are absolutely right. 70% of the mosks in the US that were investigated by the FBI advocated violence against non-muslims. I am not even going to bother linking anything.

agreed, that is what koran says to do.


Islam is only religion in world that has mandate violence against non believers verse 9.5
unbelievers are enemies 4.101
fight against them until idolatry is no more and gods religion reigns supreme 2.192-93
Muhammad is to make war with nonbelievers and deal sternly with them 66.9
Sahih Muslim 33—“I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah.”
Qur’an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
non believers will be known by there looks, and will be sieged by there feet 55.41
large numbers of mass killings by allah towards unbelievers in koran
god tells Muhammad to make war on unbelievers and hypocrites and to deal rigorously with them 9.73-74
make war on infidels who who live around you 9.123
god will strike off the heads and fingertips of unbelievers,if any believer turns his back to infidels on the march,he will receive wrath from god and hell fire 8.15-16
make war on idolaters until islam reins supreme 8.29-40
dont let unbelievers think they will ever get away,muster against them all men and Calvary strike terror into the enemies of god 8.57-60
make war with unbelievers 9.1-13 unless they join the faith
fight against unbelievers who have been given scripture and do not believe [jews Christians] until they pay tribute and are subdued 9.29-31
[Koran: 47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them
“I have been ordered to fight with the people until they say none has the right to be worshiped but allah” vol 4 book 52 hadith 196 Muhammad
believers are told to not be friends with non-believers 60.1 and to not show them kindness 60 8-9 believers do not be friends with jews or Christians 5.51 5.57 believers do not be friends with jews or Christians 5.51 5.57 it is evil to be friends with unbelievers 5 80-82
jews Christians are perverse 9.29-30
Qur’an 98:6—Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.

Qur’an 9:123—O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.
Qur’an 48:29—Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves.
those that make war against allah or Muhammad shall be slain or crucified 5.33
if anyone thinks god will not give victory to Muhammad they should hang themselves 22.15-16
a son killed for his unbelief 18.75-18.82
believers will kill,and be killed for the cause of god 9.111
Muhammad was called to rose believers to fight 8.62-66
a call to fight any who break their oath with islam or who conspire to banish Muhammad9.13
go to war well armed or ill equipped to march and fight for the cause of allah 9.41
true believers will beg to go to war 9.43-47
for cristising islam your fingers are chopped off than your had than you go to hell 8.10-13
those who do mischief cut there hands and feet from opposite sides and crucify them 5.33 Muhammad himself did so to jews vol 8 book 82 hadith 795
about 100 times jihad is mentioned in hadiths with sword war or military effort,at the end he mentions jihad within the spiritual struggle once.
when Muslims die in jihad mosque celebrate wedding not funeral because he is know married in haven to his hours in paradise family celebrates. [in middle east]
[Koran: 47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them
Muhammad told believers to fight them till they convert paradise for anyone who dies in war vol 4 book 53 hadith 586
Sahih Muslim 4366—It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattab that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.

Not sure what you think this video does? It does nothing to make Islam true, in fact this guy contradicts the Koran by saying the bible is false.

when Muslims claim the bible has contradictions, they go against Muhammad who believed in previous scripture
Also the koran in dozens of places says the bible ot and gospels of NT at his time 600 ad, that they were the word of god and were true in what they say. Yet the bible in 600 ad is same as today, so you cant claim bad translation. So how can they both be true? the koran has to be wrong on this because if it were right, it would prove koran wrong anyways.
The koran itself says man cannot change the words of allah, the koran says the torah and gospel cannot be corrupted by man, yet you claim the gospel has been corrupted you contradict your own koran by claiming the bible is corrupted, read your own koran 6.115 and 18.27.
allah promised jesus his followers will have power over those that try to corrupt his words. 40 70-72
61.14 says O you who have believed, be supporters of Allah , as when Jesus, the son of Mary, said to the disciples, "Who are my supporters for Allah ?" The disciples said, "We are supporters of Allah ." And a faction of the Children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So We supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant.
you cannot believe in some parts of scripture but not others 2.84-85 173-175 or you will go to hell
believers are to believe in all scripture 42.15
have faith in previous scripture formerly reveled 4.135-137
10.94 koran says to ask people who have read scripture before you
jews at the time of Muhammad are said to have gods own word in the torah 5 42-44
jews Christians were reading true scripture at time of Muhammad 2.113-114
4.46-jews twisting words of Muhammad not ot we here and disobey also 15.90-91
allah and those who have been given the book, have one and the same god ,Muslims believe in what was reveled to jews and Christians before Muhammad 29.46-49
gospel ot gods word 62,5-8 61.1-8 22.78-end of sura 20.131-135 ot moses called previous scripture and truth, the Israelite have had gods word 45 14-17 6.154 17.1-3 37 113-126 moses and Israelites were given scripture as a guide 40.52-53
psalms and torah are scripture 21.104-106 allah is author of torah
the torah[what was given to moses] is same as koran 28.48-50
scripture given before koran 34.31 28.51-55
scripture apostles given to all people 35.19-27
issac and jacob were given the book from allah 29.27-28
scripture previously given to jews Christians 6.19-22 in line with Koranic teachings
scripture was given to ot believers 6.83-90 we are told to follow them 6.91-93
Muslims are told to trust and get truth from previous scripture [jews]
Koran reveled to Abraham Issac Jacob Jesus Moses 3.84-85
some ot jews believed in Muhammad 4 .52 -56
Muslims must be inconsistent believing gospels are not accurate and same times accepting information from gospel of Thomas and others written far later.


koran confirms earlier ot and gospel teachings
Koran makes almost no references to ot while nt does hundreds of times
nothing new in koran that was not taught to earlier generations 41.42-44
no change though time in god ot nt islam 48.23
koran confirms ot law and gospel 46 10-14 4 47-50 2.38-43 koran came and confirmed both the torah and gospal 5.47-48 2.91-92 96-98 101 3.1-6
jews and Christians that receive scripture and observe it will be blessed 5.65-66 68-69
the koran was given to moses 25.33-38 32.21-26
koran says it contains previous scripture [the bible] 35.31-33
issac and jacob were given the book from allah 29.27-28
allah and those who have been given the book, have one and the same god ,Muslims believe in what was reveled to jews and Christians before Muhammad 29.46-49
the book was given to moses 28.43
the torah[what was given to moses] is same as koran 28.48-50
koran foretold in previous scripture ot 26.193-205
Muhammad is said to be described in ot and gospel 7.157-158
scripture previously given to jews Christians 6.19-22 in line with Koranic teachings
scripture was given to ot believers 6.83-90 we are told to follow them 6.91-93
koran confirms earlier scripture ot-gospal 6.91-93 12.111-end of chapter 10.36-38
Muslims must be inconsistent believing gospels are not accurate and same times accepting information from gospel of Thomas and others written far later.


Also the claim Jesus was not god as taught in Nt only works on videos like these,not in debates.

Jesus was the worst possible teacher ever [according to Muslims] because all his followers [the apostles] and earliest Christian worshiped him as god from the beginning, in scholarly debates the idea that Jesus never claimed to be god or the nt does not teach so never ends well for the Muslim.

Here are a few
James White vs. Jalal Abualrub: "Does the New Testament Teach that Jesus Is God?"
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2008...-does-new.html
James White and Farhan Qureshi, "Did Jesus Claim to be God"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XARqD0LmqWM

[Fragony]

well I watched this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLKarYXjG4c

I think many in america [were I live] are so politically correct that they do not see the dangers of Islam. I also have studied the koran/islam and wish for people to at least have the info to have a educated understanding of the negatives of it, its truth claims. I also like to discus/debate subjects such as this one.

You are absolutely right. 70% of the mosks in the US that were investigated by the FBI advocated violence against non-muslims. I am not even going to bother linking anything.

[CrossLOPER]

I would be convinced that this guy is an alt-nick of frag's, if not for the fact this guy seems to know how to run a spell check.