Is Islam true?.

[Brenus]

“What contradictions between OT and NT? please let me now”
It is so simple. It took me around 5 seconds on internet:
Contradiction OT/NT (and within):

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

Elijah went up to heaven. 2 Ki.2:11.
A man, known to Paul, went up to heaven. 2 Cor.12:2-4.
Enoch went "to heaven". Gen.5:24; Heb.11:5.
Only "Jesus" ever went up to heaven. Jn.3:13.

It was impossible for God and Judah together to defeat the enemy. Jud.1:19.
Nothing is impossible for God. Lk.1:37.

Sacrifices were to take away sin. Num.15:24-28.
"Jesus" sacrifice took away sins. Heb.10:12; Heb.9:26-28.
Sacrifices never take away sin. Heb.10:11

Two dead persons were raised by Jesus. Mt.9:18-25; Jn.11:38-44.
Dead children were raised before the time of Jesus. 1 Ki. 17:17-23; 2 Ki.4:32-37.
Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead. Acts 26:23.

My dear friend TR (AKA Total Realism), you should read more before asking things.

[total relism]

“What contradictions between OT and NT? please let me now”
It is so simple. It took me around 5 seconds on internet:
Contradiction OT/NT (and within):

PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

Elijah went up to heaven. 2 Ki.2:11.
A man, known to Paul, went up to heaven. 2 Cor.12:2-4.
Enoch went "to heaven". Gen.5:24; Heb.11:5.
Only "Jesus" ever went up to heaven. Jn.3:13.

It was impossible for God and Judah together to defeat the enemy. Jud.1:19.
Nothing is impossible for God. Lk.1:37.

Sacrifices were to take away sin. Num.15:24-28.
"Jesus" sacrifice took away sins. Heb.10:12; Heb.9:26-28.
Sacrifices never take away sin. Heb.10:11

Two dead persons were raised by Jesus. Mt.9:18-25; Jn.11:38-44.
Dead children were raised before the time of Jesus. 1 Ki. 17:17-23; 2 Ki.4:32-37.
Jesus was the first to be raised from the dead. Acts 26:23.

My dear friend TR (AKA Total Realism), you should read more before asking things.

First I have to point out, if you are Muslim, than claiming the OT and NT are false is same as claiming koran is false. If you do not believe in all of scripture than you go to hell, both koran and bible. Muhammad said bible was word of god in 600 ad, so it had to be correct as it is today. Also the koran is clear that allahs word cannot be corrupted by man, that included ot and gospel. You have to have faith and trust in previous scripture.

You have to understand, you could find hundreds on "contradictions" on atheist websites etc. That does not mean any could stand, I have answered hundreds on my own before. I could do so with koran as well
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/qu...a/by_name.html
http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/

First one. Not a contradiction between OT and NT, or ot.

proclaiming, "The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished
exodus 34 6-7

This passages lets you now, that god is all loving ps 145.9 yet because he loves he judges jer 13.14. A all loving god must also hate sin, he must also punish sin, because he does love. This does not mean he does not love the sinner.

7#If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, 8#and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it. 9#And if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, 10#and if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it.
Jeremiah 18 7-10

"'Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked?,' says the Lord God, 'And not rather that he should turn from his way and live? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone,' says the Lord God. 'So turn and live! Say to them, "As I live," says the Lord God, "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways. For why will you die?"'" (Ez. 18.23,32; 33.11)


also this same claim could be pointed out of koran, yet I never saw this as a contradiction.
allah loves 2.222
allah does not love the unbelievers 3.30-35 god does not love the evil doers 3.56-57
Muslims were created to help Muhammad in war 9.40
unbelievers are enemies 4.101 etc etc


2 That is very good one I had never herd before, thank you. but no contradiction

first you must read proverbs 30.4. Than john 33.5-18. You will see the context in witch it is used clearly. No one can understand haven but those that come from haven, down to earth to exspalin haven. That happened once only jesus. Than read proverbs 30.4


3 That is just terrible and I am now depressed, its 100% true that you have never read bible to make a claim like this as a contradiction. No wonder you believe the koran/bible both worship same god, you never read bible.

Judges God could beat any army if he chose to do so, judges 4.13-15 [and rest of bible] had isreal obeyed god they would have won any battles as he would have fought for them to victory 2.1-3 18-22. This is a repeating cycle in the promise land, clearly seen by anyone who has read the bible.



4 sin
Ot sacrifices were a covering for sin, they could "sanctify" and "pruify" heb 9.13,23 But could never remove sin and guilt. Otherwise as paul points out in hebrews,they would not need to be repeated over and over. That is why in john 1.29 john the baptist says

The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
john 1.29

Jesus took away the sins of the world, he did not cover the sins, to be scarficed over and over. Read hebrews for more on this, great book.


5 you must read Colossians 1

Colossians 1:18 states, “And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.”

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Corinthians 15:20-22

Jesus Christ was not the first person ever raised from the dead, but the first to rise and not die again. in bodily form as well. He is our first-fruits [Jewish festival] fulfillment of ot.

Romans 6:9 says, “knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.”
Revelation 1:18 records Jesus' words to the Apostle John. “I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.”


also firstborn can also refer to rank read psalm 89.27 ex 4,22, clearly not first in a series.



5 for you. between koran/bible, as that is the topic.

1 allah does not want all to be saved
llah does not will all to be saved 32.12-32 god wishes to scourge unbelievers for his sins 5.48-50 god could have led all man to him, but he leads them astray because of there bad deeds 13.31 allah punishes unbelievers,so there souls shall depart in unbelief 9.55 … Allah misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills ... (Q.14:4; 16:93). god wishes to scourge sinners 5.49
Allah does not care if people go to haven or hell “these to eternal fire, and I care not”and these to paradise I care not”kisasul-anbiya 21.9150 abu-dawood 2203 al timidhi 38 mishkat al misablih 3.112-13

god of bible does
"The Lord is not willing that any should perish but that all should reach repentance" (2Pet. 3.9).
"He desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth" (1Tim. 2.4).
"'Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked?,' says the Lord God, 'And not rather that he should turn from his way and live? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone,' says the Lord God. 'So turn and live! Say to them, "As I live," says the Lord God, "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways. For why will you die?"'" (Ez. 18.23,32; 33.11).


2 allah allows unbelievers to live longer only so they sin more, and receive a greater punishment 3.178

god of bible responding to a question from a church on why Jesus had not returned and what he was waiting for-
the Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. 2 peter 3.9
so god allows unbelievers to live,in hopes they will come to believe in him.


3 allah can lie
Allah – The Greatest Deceiver of them All
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamo...t_deceiver.htm
god is deceitful 8.41-45 allah is a schemer like man 86.17

god of the bible cannot lie Titus 1:2 Hebrews 6:18



4]allah ordained death 40.67-73 god is the author of death,death was a original part of creation.

god of bible
Death is the last enemy to be destroyed
Corinthians 15.26


5 allah said god will love you, if you love him first 3.30-35 and believers need to help god for him to help them 47.5-11

Jesus said of those who love only those who love them -if you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? Matt 5.46


My dear friend, try reading bible before you make claims it has contradictions, and before claiming the koran and bible worship the same god.

[total relism]

Since we are on the topic of some claiming bible/islam worship the same god.



names of some of the prophets such as Jonah,Elijah,and Issac,appear in Arabic of the Koran as translated from greek rather than Semitic[witch would be espected if those were divinely reveled]

Christianity can explain the origin of Islam,but Islam cannot explain Christianity
The bible says that there will be false prophets who will mislead many after the bible. So we would aspect a religion like Islam. But if Islam is true than Allah created the world biggest religion Christianity, by deceiving people and accidentally creating the worlds largest belief system counter to his own.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Autho...eptive_god.htm


Koran makes almost no references to ot while nt does hundreds of times

Muhammad said he could be found in the bible and that the bible told of his coming,yet he is not in there at all
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010...hammad-in.html

[Brenus]

"You have to understand, you could find hundreds on "contradictions" on atheist websites etc." You have to understand that there is no an atheist "doctrine" or Religion. By definition, you can't have a difference or contradiction in a non belief. There is no "holly" text in atheism. You might a different opinion on why you don't believe, but no body tell you what are the good reasons for not believing.
As soon you will understand this, your life will become more complex.

[Brenus]

And the topic was: Contradiction OT/NT. Not if Muslim pray the same god or not.
For this, there is various interpretation, but the Muslim faith recognises the Religions from the Book (AKA the Bible) but kill all other tenants of others faiths, especially polytheist ones.

[Hax]

Not necessarily. The Sabaeans (i.e. probably moon-worshippers of some kind or another) were also named. The concept of ahl al-kitâb was extended to Zoroastrians, Hindus and Buddhists.

Just because something is written in a holy book, doesn't mean that the believers can't think for themselves. We tend to forget taht.

[Kival]

Not necessarily. The Sabaeans (i.e. probably moon-worshippers of some kind or another) were also named. The concept of ahl al-kitâb was extended to Zoroastrians, Hindus and Buddhists.

Nice to know. Do you happen to have some kind of source about which kind of religions were "protected" and which ones hunted?

[Brenus]

To Hax: I didn't know. But the Bogomiles in Bosnia were persecuted. I was describing the most extreme interpretation of the Koran, or the one used by the Muslim Empire(s) do justify the conquest.

[total relism]

"You have to understand, you could find hundreds on "contradictions" on atheist websites etc." You have to understand that there is no an atheist "doctrine" or Religion. By definition, you can't have a difference or contradiction in a non belief. There is no "holly" text in atheism. You might a different opinion on why you don't believe, but no body tell you what are the good reasons for not believing.
As soon you will understand this, your life will become more complex.

And the topic was: Contradiction OT/NT. Not if Muslim pray the same god or not.
For this, there is various interpretation, but the Muslim faith recognises the Religions from the Book (AKA the Bible) but kill all other tenants of others faiths, especially polytheist ones.

sorry thought you were Papewaio

[Hax]

Nice to know. Do you happen to have some kind of source about which kind of religions were "protected" and which ones hunted?

There wasn't a standard or anything, things like these fluctuated. For example, the Jewish minority in Andalusia were treated differently in the 11th century (the Massacre of Granada comes to mind) than their counterparts in the 15th century Ottoman Empire.

I have to catch a train now and I can't give you a source on the top of my head.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

EDIT: From the Encyclopedia of the Qur‘an:

The use of this term was later extended to the Sabeans ( al-Ṣābiʾa [q.v.])—both the genuine Sabeans, mentioned in the Ḳurʾān alongside the Jews and the Christians (= Mandeans), and the spurious Sabeans (star-worshippers of Ḥarrān)—to the Zoroastrians (Mad̲j̲iūs [q.v.]), and, in India, even to idolaters.

On benzin archives there is an interesting bit about contacts between Islam and Buddhism (an interesting subject which needs more research).

[total relism]

Not saying I believe/agree with it, but worth watching.

In "Islam: The Untold Story," historian Tom Holland presents what we might call the "Skeptical Thesis." He rejects almost all of the standard Islamic account of Muhammad's life, concluding that stories about Islam's prophet were manufactured for a purpose other than accurate history.
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012...ing+Muslims%29

[Hax]

Been there, done that. I read his recent book; "In the Shadow of the Sword".

He's stating nothing new. The interpretation of early Islamic history that he proposes has already been put forward by Patricia Crone and Michael Cook. He's a good storyteller, but his historical work is nothing spectacular. My professor of Islamic history actually gave an interview about that book.

[HoreTore]

Not saying I believe/agree with it, but worth watching.

In "Islam: The Untold Story," historian Tom Holland presents what we might call the "Skeptical Thesis." He rejects almost all of the standard Islamic account of Muhammad's life, concluding that stories about Islam's prophet were manufactured for a purpose other than accurate history.
http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2012...ing+Muslims%29

If you want a debate, how about writing down your own thoughts instead of copypasting what others have written?