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    To help get back on topic, Hax please help me here. Post something on topic as well. Its just a dream, but it would be nice.



    we were just talking about poets/demon possession so...




    Muhammad first impression was that he was demon possessed and became depressed and suicidal
    satanic versus were Muhammad said he received revaluations from satan
    Muhammad received a spell from black magic that caused him to give false revaluations from god for a year.

    Sahih al-Bukhari 3175—Aisha narrated: "Once the Prophet (the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact, he had not done."
    Sahih al-Bukhari 5765—Aisha narrated: Magic was worked on Allah’s Apostle (may the blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) so that he used to think that he had had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. Then one day he said, "O Aisha, do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about? Two men came to me and one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. The one near my head asked the other: ‘What is wrong with this man?’ The latter replied, ‘He is under the effect of magic.’ The first one asked, ‘Who has worked magic on him?’ The other replied, ‘Labid bin Al-Asam, a man from Bani Zuraiq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite.’ The first one asked, ‘What material did he use?’ The other replied, ‘A comb and the hair stuck to it.’"




    Ibn Ishaq, p. 165-166—Now the apostle was anxious for the welfare of his people, wishing to attract them as far as he could. . . . When the apostle saw that his people turned their backs on him and he was pained by their estrangement from what he brought them from God he longed that there should come to him from God a message that would reconcile his people to him. Because of his love for his people and his anxiety over them it would delight him if the obstacle that made his task so difficult could be removed. . . . Then God sent down "By the star when it sets your comrade errs not and is not deceived, he speaks not from his own desire," and when he reached His words "Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat the third, the other", Satan, when he was meditating upon it, and desiring to bring it to his people, put upon his tongue "these are the exalted Gharaniq [Numidian cranes] whose intercession is approved." When the Quraysh heard that, they were delighted and greatly pleased at the way in which he spoke of their gods and they listened to him; while the believers were holding that what their prophet brought them from their Lord was true, not suspecting a mistake or a vain desire or a slip, and when he reached the prostration and the end of the Sura in which he prostrated himself the Muslims prostrated themselves when their prophet prostrated confirming what he brought and obeying his command, and the polytheists of Quraysh and others who were in the mosque prostrated when they heard the mention of their gods, so that everyone in the mosque believer and unbeliever prostrated . . . Then the people dispersed and the Quraysh went out, delighted at what had been said about their gods, saying, "Muhammad has spoken of our gods in splendid fashion. He alleged in what he read that they are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is approved." The news reached the prophet’s companions who were in Abyssinia, it being reported that Quraysh had accepted Islam, so some men started to return while others remained behind. Then Gabriel came to the apostle and said, "What have you done, Muhammad? You have read to these people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you." The apostle was bitterly grieved and was greatly in fear of God. So God sent down (a revelation), for He was merciful to him, comforting him and making light of the affair and telling him that every prophet and apostle before him desired as he desired and wanted what he wanted and Satan interjected something into his desires as he had on his tongue. So God annulled what Satan had suggested and God established His verses, i.e. you are just like the prophets and apostles. Then God sent down: "We have not sent a prophet or apostle before you but when he longed Satan cast suggestions in his longing. But God will annul what Satan has suggested. Then God will establish his verses, God being knowing and wise."
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    Oh come on... The real crusades at least had an ending to them...

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    It's been announced that something awesome has been found on Mars.

    I'd say the chance of it being intelligent life is higher than the odds of finding it in the head of a certain copypaste-poster in this thread.
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    Meanwhile ignoring all other evidence of what hitler said.”: I post a speech of Hitler (public one, not a “secret” conversation with somebody who had a lot to be forgiven after the war) where Hitler define himself as a Christian…

    Evolution is not the fight of the fittest, the strongest. Go back to your studies. The mammoth were surely stronger than the Sapiens. We are still there, they are not…
    As atheism, I repeat that Hitler defined himself as a Christian, was never excommunicated… So Christian he is…
    nature does not wish”: This is the proof that Hitler was definitively not an atheist. Nature has no wish, no will, and no purpose. Nature as no will….

    I never said they killed to spread atheism”; Yes, you did: “please dont get us started on all the killings atheist have done in the name of evolution.”

    At least the Crusades were clearly made for Religious Purpose (well, not only) and same the Genocide and Ethnocide of the Indians in South America. But you will most probably deny it was a Genocide… The Christians killed them to save their Souls as would say Torquemada….

    this would be like me saying well those america/english must really hate kill people because they stopped hitler from what he was doing.” Well, of course, you just “forget” that it is your God who initiated the slaughter in giving the orders. And if you really want to carry on this path, the Good Israelis did follow orders…
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    Meanwhile ignoring all other evidence of what hitler said.”: I post a speech of Hitler (public one, not a “secret” conversation with somebody who had a lot to be forgiven after the war) where Hitler define himself as a Christian…

    Evolution is not the fight of the fittest, the strongest. Go back to your studies. The mammoth were surely stronger than the Sapiens. We are still there, they are not…
    As atheism, I repeat that Hitler defined himself as a Christian, was never excommunicated… So Christian he is…
    nature does not wish”: This is the proof that Hitler was definitively not an atheist. Nature has no wish, no will, and no purpose. Nature as no will….

    I never said they killed to spread atheism”; Yes, you did: “please dont get us started on all the killings atheist have done in the name of evolution.”

    At least the Crusades were clearly made for Religious Purpose (well, not only) and same the Genocide and Ethnocide of the Indians in South America. But you will most probably deny it was a Genocide… The Christians killed them to save their Souls as would say Torquemada….

    this would be like me saying well those america/english must really hate kill people because they stopped hitler from what he was doing.” Well, of course, you just “forget” that it is your God who initiated the slaughter in giving the orders. And if you really want to carry on this path, the Good Israelis did follow orders…
    This all well and good, i suggest you start a thread i will come join you sir, or post on my thread already on Hitler. Also I quoted his book as well. The rest as much as i would like to respond. It is so very off topic and a thread already exist for it here.
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    the last part applies to the conquest of cannan, a debate im in now of supposed genocide in bible. It is a thread i will be doing here as well down the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by total relism View Post
    This all well and good, i suggest you start a thread i will come join you sir, or post on my thread already on Hitler. Also I quoted his book as well. The rest as much as i would like to respond. It is so very off topic and a thread already exist for it here.
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    the last part applies to the conquest of cannan, a debate im in now of supposed genocide in bible. It is a thread i will be doing here as well down the road.
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    First off,what the hel% are you doing in my head, get out.
    Hoo boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV View Post
    Threats will get you nowhere...
    sorry you felt scared, i did not mean to. I was just saying i will be doing thread on this very topic were I would love to have you post.
    “Its been said that when human beings stop believing in god they believe in nothing. The truth is much worse, they believe in anything.” Malcolm maggeridge

    The simple believes every word: but the prudent man looks well to his going. Proverbs -14.15
    The first to present his case seems right,till another comes forward and questions him -Proverbs 18.17

    In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    Genesis 1.1

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