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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    atheism is a belief”: Nope. It is contradiction in term. A non-smoker is not a smoker who smokes nothing. A dead is not a person who is not living. A belief is based on something, not of an absence of something. I do not believe there is no god because I have a book or something to tell me to do so. I don’t believe in a god because there is an absence of god(s). The sky or Hell is empty.
    Atheism is a lack of belief. An atheist can perfectly doubt of the Bing Bang Theory or evolution, or how life came on Earth. He/she has just to say he/she hasn’t an answer for this. I even think than an atheist can believe in an afterlife if he/she wants, as this is still not a proof of god(s). If a thinking caterpillar asks to itself if there is a life after death, in this case, the answer is yes (well, the caterpillar is not really dead…). But god(s) has nothing to do with this, but evolution yes…
    sigh... it is just semantics, you can say you believe there is no god and that is absence of belief and no belief, or you can say your belief is that no god exists. what you describe at best is not atheism but agnosticism, agnosticism suspends judgment, atheism does not, it is the judgment that god does not exist.

    I don’t believe in a god because there is an absence of god(s). The sky or Hell is empty.
    it is your belief that the sky or hell is empty, and you use that to come to the conclusion that there is no god, you may twist this all you want but it simply is an belief... and you believe it to be true, if you wouldnt you would suspend judgment and you would not be an atheist. atheism is not the lack of belief, that is agnosticism... the agnost lacks belief pro and contra regarding the question whether or not god exist, it is basically the sceptical position but now regarding religious matters. if you say truth exists and i say truth does not exist i do not lack a belief, i actually am of the conviction that there is no truth (you can ofcourse phrase this to look like it is a lack of belief, but a lack of belief can only be achieve by suspending judgment ,and that is what the true skeptic does)

    to give a slightly better definition

    Contemporary analytic philosophers of mind generally use the term “belief” to refer to the attitude we have, roughly, whenever we take something to be the case or regard it as true.


    The distortion of words by the believers to put atheism as belief is just to try to equal the two processes. One (faith in god) is based on imagination and hope/fear. The other is based on the facts experimented on daily basis than there is no god(s). There are no acts of god(s). With or without god(s), Humans experiment the same things, bad or good. Atheist will survive cancer, believers not and vice versa, randomly.
    and here come the baseless claims. 1) im not a believer. 2) theology has proof and arguments involved, you may not accept these but that does not mean they are not there. ofcourse they are not scientific proofs, but it is not a scientific debate. It is not in the area of physics so asking for experimental proof is per definition absurd.

    i can succesfully argue that they are actually equally arbitrary but we will have to get very technical and it will be pointless since we cannot even get past this basic definition. even if your simplification about religion and atheism (which you seem to confuse with science for some reason) are true, you still have not given any justification for why one system should neccesarily be preferred over the other.

    Now, I believe in the Theory of Chaos. I believe because I have no logical explanation to back-up this. It is based on nothing, and it gives me comfort.
    it seems to me that you see belief as the substitute of knowledge, you believe in something in the absence of knowledge but this is not the case, you need belief to have knowlegde, belief is a component of knowlegde, there can be no knowledge without belief.
    Last edited by The Stranger; 12-02-2012 at 04:36.

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