Why would those outside Christianity want to define themselves as Christians?Originally Posted by HoreTore
Re: Was Hitler a christian? and atheist morallity
Why would those outside Christianity want to define themselves as Christians?
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Re: Was Hitler a christian? and atheist morallity
No idea, so that wasn't my point
Defining "christian" your way probably makes sense to a christian. For someone like me who doesn't believe in any gods, it makes no sense. I will have to define a christian as being those who define themselves that way.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: Was Hitler a christian? and atheist morallity
It makes perfect sense to me, not being a Christian myself. If someone claims to be a Christian, I would have to retort: That is for your God to decide.No idea, so that wasn't my point
Defining "christian" your way probably makes sense to a christian. For someone like me who doesn't believe in any gods, it makes no sense. I will have to define a christian as being those who define themselves that way.... begging the question you say?? whaddayamean?
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Re: Was Hitler a christian? and atheist morallity
“And other private comments.” Yes. People asking questions to former Nazi having a lot to be forgotten and saying what Hitler said (AFTER the war), trying to please the victors… Very reliable witnesses: But wasn’t the Vatican that organise the escape to Argentina and others South American Countries of all the Nazis left without jobs?
“Christianity is the religion that has had the most significant influence on French culture, institutions, language, etc.” As culture is concern, as much as Paganism, Invasions (various), Colonisation and Wars, nothing for the institutions (France doesn’t follow the Rules of St Augustin anymore), and I can’t say that French is linked with Christianity. Latin was first the language of the Romans before to be the language of Christianity, and is the combination of 2 main streams medieval French (langue d’Oc and Langue d’Oi).
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
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Re: Was Hitler a christian? and atheist morallity
Basically, you've got nothing? I see.Yes. People asking questions to former Nazi having a lot to be forgotten and saying what Hitler said (AFTER the war), trying to please the victors… Very reliable witnesses: But wasn’t the Vatican that organise the escape to Argentina and others South American Countries of all the Nazis left without jobs?
Christianity has had the most as well as most immediate cultural influence. Paganism isn't a single religion, and I am not convinced that Celtism is more relevant to modern French culture than Christianity.As culture is concern, as much as Paganism, Invasions (various), Colonisation and Wars, nothing for the institutions (France doesn’t follow the Rules of St Augustin anymore), and I can’t say that French is linked with Christianity. Latin was first the language of the Romans before to be the language of Christianity, and is the combination of 2 main streams medieval French (langue d’Oc and Langue d’Oi).
Christian influence. That isn't to say that modern institutions in France have a strong religious character.
Tabernac, but Latin is not a religion! Calisse!
Do we have anything more to quibble on?
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Re: Was Hitler a christian? and atheist morallity
Now that's being a smart-ass. Well played, good sir!It makes perfect sense to me, not being a Christian myself. If someone claims to be a Christian, I would have to retort: That is for your God to decide.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: Was Hitler a christian? and atheist morallity
That is not how they curse in France, that's joual right there.Christianity has had the most as well as most immediate cultural influence. Paganism isn't a single religion, and I am not convinced that Celtism is more relevant to modern French culture than Christianity.
Christian influence. That isn't to say that modern institutions in France have a strong religious character.
Tabernac, but Latin is not a religion! Calisse!
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Re: Was Hitler a christian? and atheist morallity
“Basically, you've got nothing? I see.” I have what Hitler himself said during meetings. And in My Kampf, which is his platform. If you think it is nothing, well, by glasses and you will see. I don’t have second hand comments (well, I have, but some extreme-right novelist contest the reality of it. So I went back to the original: Hitler himself by himself.
“Christianity has had the most as well as most immediate cultural influence. Paganism isn't a single religion, and I am not convinced that Celtism is more relevant to modern French culture than Christianity.” Paganism is a form of religion. Celtism is not relevant to the French Culture (well, except in the French Founding Myths, along the Franks and the Romans. In fact it is funny to study how the French School Books succeeded to make one thing of it. Christianity had an impact of French Culture of course, but it is now over-rated. Largely. The Pope can tell what he wants, nobody care. And even long time ago: You do know that some Popes were “invited” to live in Avignon do you? Not even speaking of Napoleon wedding…
“Tabernac, but Latin is not a religion! Calisse!”: Er, can I remind you that you are the one claiming the influence of Christianity on the French Language, so I supposed you were mentioning Latin: my mistake. So what did you wanted to say when you mentioned the link between French and Christianity?
And I think that you wanted to say “tabernacle” (that is a cupboard) and “Calice” (that is the central part of a flower, looking like a cup, reason why it is as well the name for the recipient used in liturgy). This words are used more in Canada (Quebec) as swearing than in France.
If you want to develop on the use of religious words in French cursing, you can add “Vains dieu” (Useless God) or “Vingt Dieux” (Twenty Gods) I never know which one is the right one (same pronunciation). Old ones: Mordieu. (Death of God), Milledieu (Thousand Gods), Palsambleu (by the blood of God).
All right, time to go to bed…
“Do we have anything more to quibble on?” Bring it on…
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
"I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
"You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
"Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"
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