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“On The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life” Where is the superiority of races in the title? Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life means The Lucky Ones that can adapt to Changing Conditions. Please, do some text analyse before claiming absurdities.
“evolution is all about change and survival of the fittest” Nope, Evolution is the survival of the ones that can adapt, nothing to do with the fittest. Neanderthal was probably the fitter (stronger) of the 2 human races (the other one being Cro-Magnon), but he vanished when we survived as we were more adaptable… But you probably deny the existence of Neanderthal, as it is not in the Bible, I suppose.

All the links between evolution and Nazism you propose are not from Hitler himself, but other authors’ opinions on Hitler. So, I will question their motives. And until now, each time, you propose authors very close to the Extreme Right Ideology. This only begs the question about Christianity and Extreme Right.
Humber just lies in his book.
For the web: “English translations of Mein Kampf shows only ONE use of the word "evolution", in a context which does not refer at all to biological evolution, but instead to the development of political ideas in Germany: "This evolution has not yet taken the shape of a conscious intention and movement to restore the political power and independence of our nation.".
“White Aryans, Hitler writes, are the special creations of God, the "highest image of the Lord", put here specifically to rule over the "subhuman" races: "Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe. The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.”
Keith: Interesting biography in the site called white nationalism and it goes on for all your references.
None of your sources is a credible one as they all have an agenda and interest in disentangling Christianity from Nazism.

Just for your information and fun, the other evil atheist butcher, Stalin didn’t believe in Evolution as it was a Bourgeois’ Theory… The real truth starts to show: you don’t believe in Evolution, Stalin didn’t believe in Evolution, you are Christian, so Stalin was a Christian… This fact really nails it, as Stalin was a student in Religion in his youth.

darwin/hitler were both racist: Christianity/Hitler were both racist: Fixed for you

“we define what a race is,that changes with time and who you ask, read textbooks from Germany in 1940's and america see how they threat blacks etc” Nope. Races concept is a Biological description. You mix up (like racist –and I am not telling you are one) a Biological reality the racists extended to politic. The treatment of non-white populations is due to the “politisation” of a Biological observation where politicians twisted biology to support their goals. They spent a lot of resources in trying to prove their theories and had, as we know, some success.

“in fact that is untrue, atheist have killed 100 times as many” It is so true that you can’t come up with facts. But apparently, you are not bothered too much by facts.

“Not to mention you would have to ignore everything he has said” I don’t. You do, when Hitler said “as a Christian”, YOU pretend it was to fool people. I say that when Hitler said he was a Christian, he was genuine, and when Hitler said because of this, he will kill the Jews, he was genuine. When Hitler wrote in My Kampf that the White Race was the creation of God and had to rules the sub-races, I say he meant it.

I am not interested in what other people said that Hitler said; I am not interested in what other people extrapolating from where he took his idea of “Superior” races, I just acknowledge what he said: Form his Christian background and education. And you can bring as much as you want of so-called proofs (indirect ones, Hitler told me, in secret,) as you want, the facts stay stubbornly that in My Kampf and in his public speeches Hitler qualified himself as a Christian. So he was.
Concerning the link with Darwin and Nazism, you emphasize that the one (one of) developing the concept of Eugenic is his cousin. So the fact that you have a stupid or crazy cousin makes your study suspect as well? You have a strange system of analyse.



Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
you are rejecting clear teachings/thought of hitler on what he concluded evolution was and how he viewed races, darwin as well. Your not lucky to adapt and survive,your more advanced/evolved as nazi germany taught about evolution in there textbooks,jews less evolved.



The ones that can adapt are the fittest lol. Also all one needs to do is read what hitler/darwin and germany thought in 1940's to tell they would very much disagree with you. Fittest does not mean strongest. Why would I deny Neanderthal? they fit the creation model fine, I tried to debate you 1v1 on evolution or Neanderthal you would on neither.



hitler/evolution
False,go back and read many are direct from hitler,just the source is from a scholar quoiting him so its there book. Its not like this is groundbreaking stuff [maybe to you] Also please show me were these authors are ex stream right idolody? That is a completely baseless claim you cannot support. It is also a logical fallcie to attack source instead of material.



Your one hitler quote

wow great source your using lol
http://www.holysmoke.org/cre011.htm

Notice it does not refrence any page number for the claim it makes about Aryan race etc lol.

That is because your source is trying to hide it. Here are just 3 exsamples

The stronger must rule; it must not unite with the weaker, thus sacrificing its own stature. Only the born weakling can think this cruel, and that is why he is a weak and defective man; for if this law did not hold, any conceivable evolution of organic living things would be unthinkable. (p. 278)
Always struggle is a means to improve the health and stamina of the species, and thus a cause of its evolution.
By any other process all development and evolution would cease, and the very reverse would take place. (p. 278)

But little as Nature wishes a mating of weaker with stronger individuals, still less does she want the fusion of a higher with a lower race, since otherwise the whole labor of selective evolution, perhaps through thousands of years, would be set at naught. (p. 279)


Because everyone who believes in the higher evolution of living organisms must admit that every manifestation of the vital urge and struggle to live must have had a definite beginning in time and that one subject alone must have manifested it for the first time. (p. 249)


But lets assume your correct, what does that have to do with anything said? I never said hitler used the word evolution so many times in Mein Kampf. I never said he had to or did so. I said hitlers evolutionary beliefs led to his racism and view of less evolved races such as blacks/jews to want to ride them of his pure blood Nordic society. Also that hitler hated christian and all religon killing more christian than jews.


wow great source your using lol
http://www.holysmoke.org/cre011.htm


You than claim your online website with no references and not my multiple books/university studies are reliable. I shall ask you to tell me why? knowing you cant refute facts you must attack the source, yet me and any other will clearly see this as a escape from the truth that you dont want to admit. You claim because they have a agenda, yet cant show evidence of it, nor would that change the truth even if they did, hitler was still hitler.




stalin
you do this often, you try to bring discussion somewhere else when it does not go well with you. This thread is on hitler not stalin. Just because someone studies bible/religion does not make them christian. Bart erhman would be christian today if true and darwin etc.

At the age of 19, in 1898, Stalin was expelled from the theological seminary because of his revolutionary connections


stalin
An avid reader, Soso acquired a copy of Darwin’s Origin of Species, when he was about 13
"One day, he and some friends were talking about the injustice of there being rich and poor. Soso amazed them all by saying, ‘God’s not unjust, he doesn’t actually exist. We’ve been deceived. If God existed, he’d have made the world more just. I’ll lend you a book and you’ll see.’ He produced a copy of Darwin’s book"
biography of Stalin by Simon Sebag Montefiore, Young Stalin, Weidenfeld & Nicolson, London, 2007. p40


not to mention he killed
100,000 priests, monks and nuns of the Russian orthodox church




because history tells us as do hitler stalin, that they were racist, it should be fixed.



as i sated races are made up words that humans define.




provided many times over to you.


atheist governments killings morality etc
77 million in Communist China, 62 million in the Soviet Gulag State, 21 million non-battle killings by the Nazis, 2 million murdered in the Khmer Rouge killing fields (see also Rummel, R.J., Death by Government, New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1994).
Having shown that Christianity’s ‘religious crimes’ are far less horrendous than atheists would argue; he goes on to show that atheism, not religion, is responsible for mass murders. In fact, ‘atheist regimes have in a single century murdered more than one hundred million people’ (p. 214). Even adjusting for changes in population size, atheist regimes are responsible for 100 times more death in one century than Christian rulers inflicted over five centuries. However, while it can easily be shown that crimes committed in the name of Christianity are not sanctioned by its teaching, the bloodbaths of the atheist regimes are consistent with an atheist, evolutionary outlook. Indeed, atheists have no moral basis to say that anything is right or wrong



You have to ignore all the books quotes his writings etc that dont agree with your one quote you cant put in context that can be easily explained as I stated last post, that is why you cant respond to post 127. I dont ignore the quote at all, that was reason for post 127, you clearly have to ignore so much to keep your view you cling to alive. I will refer to post 207/208 for his own words/opinions writings on how he felt about chritianity, keep in mind hes a weird christian if he killed more of them than jews and directly targeted priest churches etc.





eugenics
I was referring to the worldview,not who started it, you missed the point. my last post, not sure on how to be more clear on this. Also if your atheist why do you say eugenics is wrong, or inconstant with evolution?.