French special forces operation foiled by villagers

[Myth]

OK guys, I don't know if this made the mainstream media in your parts of the world, but I find it both funny and scary at the same time. On the eve of the 15th of October, a team of 2 unidentified men land by parachute in a farmer's field in a village near Pleven, Bulgaria (I'm Bulgarian myself).

The owners of the field are brothers and reputed village brawlers, who regularly defend their lands during the night to prevent theft from ethnic minorities from a nearby village (theft in the rural areas of BG is a serious, albeit different issue). The incident happened because the foreigners had a 4x4 vehicle waiting for them. When the brothers confronted them about what the hell were five dark skinned men doing in a jeep on their private property, the men attempted to run them over with the vehicle. When that failed, they jumped out and engaged the two Bulgarian villagers and their friend, a local policeman who was off duty and had come to his friend's aid. Funny thing was, two of the men were shot in the legs, one had his nose broken and several had fractured limbs. They were beaten bloody, and only two managed to escape.

Facts: they pretended they did not speak Bulgarian, but later on it was discovered that they do. They have French citizenship but did not seek out the consulate. Our minister of internal affairs insists that they were "adrenaline junkies" and "civilians who practice extreme sports" and that's how they entered Bulgarian territory without authorization, via parachute, at night.

What's even funnier is that the French already admitted that these men were special forces who were doing training on infiltration into a foreign country.

Apart from the irony of having a team of five French special forces (they had diving and mountaineering equipment, GPS navigation etc. with them) beaten bloody by two burly village brawlers and an off-duty cop, I find it disturbing that our own minister would lie to the public. The French dismiss the accident as "unimportant" but what the hell were they doing here? Why were the men dark skinned (easily mistaken for the local roma minority) and why wasn't our intelligence office aware of this? Certain military sources state that this is standard NATO practice - they drop special forces as mock insurgents and then monitor our response and level of awareness. Well, if it's standard it's sure as hell news to me.

Something similar happened in 1999 during the conflicts in former Yugoslavia, where some SAS agents were beaten like drums by overzealous tavern patrons in Macedonia. Yet I find it highly improbable that two average joes and an off-duty cop can take on a team of 5 berets. It makes sense if the French had orders not to harm civilians, but then their training must be something if they'd sit there and let some villagers break their damn legs and do nothing.

[Kadagar_AV]

This is an awesome story.

Have heard nothing about it, got some sources? Worst case even BG ones will do, can always google translate it :)

[Husar]

Not all Special Forces have super close combat skills or even shooting skills.

Often they're trained for very different tasks like reconnaissance, dealings with and military training for the locals etc.

They're not all snipers who brawl like Chuck Norris but translators, explosives experts and so on.

Question is of course, if they couldn't brawl very well, why did they pick a fight with the locals instead of moderating the heated discussion and speeding away? Maybe their esprit de corps was a bit higher than their fighting skills or so.

[Kadagar_AV]

Not all Special Forces have super close combat skills or even shooting skills.

Often they're trained for very different tasks like reconnaissance, dealings with and military training for the locals etc.

They're not all snipers who brawl like Chuck Norris but translators, explosives experts and so on.

Question is of course, if they couldn't brawl very well, why did they pick a fight with the locals instead of moderating the heated discussion and speeding away? Maybe their esprit de corps was a bit higher than their fighting skills or so.

This.

They come off as cartoonian no matter what perspective...

[Ronin]

reminds me of some British special forces that "invaded" Spain a couple of years ago....they were doing an amphibian exercise in Gibraltar, read their maps wrong and landed on the wrong beach......this happened in broad daylight mind you

[Brenus]

Nothing in the French Media, even the specialised one. I know this kind of training is done by the 13 Régiment de Dragons Parachutistes as a test to see if they are able to carry a mission of deep infiltration in enemy territory (recon), and to choose a "foreign" but not too hostile country is better because the worst is to be arrested by local police and to spend few days in jail. But what I find strange in your story: Not that many French speak Bulgarian, and not many French have dark skin. It cold be make-up, but you don't mention it. I will keep am eye on French Media.

[Beskar]

Roma infiltration unit? Is it to be expected, but it does bring some worrying concerns. Hopefully the French authorities are not acting without care.

[HoreTore]

I was in ISTAR during my year in the military. I was the communication wagon for the 3-4 groups who went behind enemy lines to spy, meaning I had to go behind enemy lines.

We're not that tough. "Behind enemy lines" does not equal "RamboTerminator Team".

What's more worrying than a botched French excercise is the treatment of Roma in Bulgaria and associated countries. For a course in "Human Rights Violation 101", all you need to do is look at the situation of Roma in Bulgaria, Hungary or Rumenia.

[Kadagar_AV]

I was in ISTAR during my year in the military. I was the communication wagon for the 3-4 groups who went behind enemy lines to spy, meaning I had to go behind enemy lines.

We're not that tough. "Behind enemy lines" does not equal "RamboTerminator Team".

What's more worrying than a botched French excercise is the treatment of Roma in Bulgaria and associated countries. For a course in "Human Rights Violation 101", all you need to do is look at the situation of Roma in Bulgaria, Hungary or Rumenia.

The only human rights violation is that the gypsies haven't been packed up and been sent home more thoroughly.. Have a flock of about 50 of them occupying a park not far from where I live as we speak, local crime rates of course escalated through the roof. A week ago one of my friends who runs a video-rental store got robbed by another bunch of gypsies.

Letting Romania into the EU was just soooooo ill adviced, as they now have legal rights to stay here 3 months. GAH!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NOTHING against Romanians at large, a damn hospitable and nice country. But their gypsy minority sure don't make it easy to like them.

[HoreTore]

The only human rights violation is that the gypsies haven't been packed up and been sent home more thoroughly.. Have a flock of about 50 of them occupying a park not far from where I live as we speak, local crime rates of course escalated through the roof. A week ago one of my friends who runs a video-rental store got robbed by another bunch of gypsies.

Letting Romania into the EU was just soooooo ill adviced, as they now have legal rights to stay here 3 months. GAH!!!!!!!!!

Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NOTHING against Romanians at large, a damn hospitable and nice country. But their gypsy minority sure don't make it easy to like them.

Socio-economic.


As always.

[Strike For The South]

just send the gypsies to America

Europeans are a bunch of intolerant assholes

It boggles my mind when someone from the continent has the balls to claim they are less racist than Americans

Its ADORABLE

[HoreTore]

just send the gypsies to America

Europeans are a bunch of intolerant assholes

It boggles my mind when someone from the continent has the balls to claim they are less racist than Americans

Its ADORABLE

I agree with everything in this post.

A few more like this, and I'm starting a cult.

[Kadagar_AV]

just send the gypsies to America

Europeans are a bunch of intolerant assholes

It boggles my mind when someone from the continent has the balls to claim they are less racist than Americans

Its ADORABLE

What? When have I ever claimed to be less racist than Americans?

American racism:
http://www.radicalcartography.net/in...ml?chicagodots

My racism:
Not only am I happy with how the map look, as it shows that people vote with their feet and actually don't want multuculturalism around themselves. But I also personally believe you will find it harder to educate in blue dot areas. 20% harder even. *based on the old IQ map of the world*


HoreTore, yeah... socioeconomic factors explain why gypsies generally fail in society while jews generally succeed... Has nothing to do with cultural traits. Right?

[Strike For The South]

lol, Where Americans see 3 ethnic groups, Europeans would see 30.

Self segragation is a problem , poverty has as much to do with it any other factor and younger people tend to be more diverse. It also takes a while for old habits to die.

Im not even going to talk about IQ because its not a valid measure of anything

[HoreTore]

HoreTore, yeah... socioeconomic factors explain why gypsies generally fail in society while jews generally succeed... Has nothing to do with cultural traits. Right?

That's indeed what I said, yes, I see your reading skills have increased

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Socio-economic.


As always.

Of course you know no actual Gypsies.

If you did you'd appreciate that they don't consider themselves a part of our society, and a minority take this to the extreme of disregarding our laws and taking anything not nailed down.

[HoreTore]

lol, Where Americans see 3 ethnic groups, Europeans would see 30.

Self segragation is a problem , poverty has as much to do with it any other factor and younger people tend to be more diverse. It also takes a while for old habits to die.

Im not even going to talk about IQ because its not a valid measure of anything

Indeed, and you don't get poorer than the Roma areas of Rumenia, etc. And of course, the states there actively try their best to keep them poor, either indirectly or directly, for example by denying education, health services, job security and other goods freely available to everyone else, junkie or not.

I'm not entering a pissing contest on which group was treated worse, but we can at least confirm that jews and roma were persecuted differently. Jews lived in cities with fear of being murdered by mobs every now and then, roma were the last group sold as slaves at european markets, as late as second half of the 19th century.

Read up on the Jewish immigration to Whitechapel, Kadagar, compare it to Roma, then we can talk.

[Kadagar_AV]

SFTS, You have been integrating for some hundred years, this is how the map looks now, and you vaguely say that the younger generation will be more diverse? Sure, but not much. If I look at Sweden, only WT girls are hooking up with MENA or Subsaharans... And even that in very limited scale.

HoreTore, I guess we have to agree to disagree.

[Strike For The South]

please look up the 1960s

[HoreTore]

Of course you know no actual Gypsies.

If you did you'd appreciate that they don't consider themselves a part of our society, and a minority take this to the extreme of disregarding our laws and taking anything not nailed down.

Jew, anyone?

Ah, good ol' Europe.... America needs a strong military. We'll end up in yet another bloodbath they'll have to rescue us from again soon enough. Enlist, SFTS, it'll help with my sleep

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

lol, Where Americans see 3 ethnic groups, Europeans would see 30.

Self segragation is a problem , poverty has as much to do with it any other factor and younger people tend to be more diverse. It also takes a while for old habits to die.

Im not even going to talk about IQ because its not a valid measure of anything

On the other hand - when you have 30 ethnic groups the group you belong to becomes less important, because it's smaller.

Anyway - you classify Spaniards as not white, that's segregation taken to an extreme and refined to a paranoid art.

[Strike For The South]

On the other hand - when you have 30 ethnic groups the group you belong to becomes less important, because it's smaller.

Anyway - you classify Spaniards as not white, that's segregation taken to an extreme and refined to a paranoid art.

Spaniards are white. People of Spanish heritage born in the Americas are Hispanic.

I can hold your hand through the rest of this, if you'd like

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Jew, anyone?

Ah, good ol' Europe.... America needs a strong military. We'll end up in yet another bloodbath they'll have to rescue us from again soon enough. Enlist, SFTS, it'll help with my sleep

Jews have a different relationship with the communities they interact with - even so all the stereotypes of avaricious Jews have some basis in reality, Jews were ostricised and as a result they exacted their revenge via high interest rates. On the other hand, Jews always integrated to a certain degree by having fixed abodes within cities.

Gypsies choose to live in caravans in fields outside​ the city.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Spaniards are white. People of Spanish heritage born in the Americas are Hispanic.

I can hold your hand through the rest of this, if you'd like

What about the child of two Spanish immigrants?

Hispanic or white?

I'm guessing Hispanic.

[HoreTore]

Jews have a different relationship with the communities they interact with - even so all the stereotypes of avaricious Jews have some basis in reality, Jews were ostricised and as a result they exacted their revenge via high interest rates. On the other hand, Jews always integrated to a certain degree by having fixed abodes within cities.

Gypsies choose to live in caravans in fields outside​ the city.

I'm obviously not going to enter a debate on these premises, but do keep it going. It will amuse me.

[Strike For The South]

What about the child of two Spanish immigrants?

Hispanic or white?

I'm guessing Hispanic.

Ultimatley it depends on how he self identifies

But skin tone, mannerisms, etc will all come into play when he is percivied

[Kadagar_AV]

Ultimatley it depends on how he self identifies

But skin tone, mannerisms, etc will all come into play when he is percivied

Tell me more about their mannerism while explaining how non-racist you are, why don't you?

[Myth]

Regarding the official topic:

Bulgarian media cite a French newspaper "Le Point" so if someone who is a native French speaker can find that article, it'd be great. So this paper states that they were operatives of the DGSE, which is confirmed by Jean Yves Le Drian.

Article in English here.

Here is an article complete with a video and interview wtih a French official, although it's translated in Bulgarian so you might not catch all of what he is saying.

This article cites a magazine named "Marianne"

The civilian counter espionage unit of the village of Koilovtsi:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Look, everyone is saying it was a simple training mission. What I suspect, being an avid paranoid conspiracy freak, is that Western intelligence agencies carry out missions in order to blame certain countries or organizations. We had a recent bombing against Israeli tourists and of course, Iran got the blame. How bloody convenient. Now these guys were dark skinned and that's why they got their faces punched in. They had a distinct gypsy/middle eastern look to them, definitely they were not white guys with baguettes under their arms (I'm joking, I love France and I especially admire your history and your strong sense of nationalism)

As regarding to the gypsies (aka. Roma) and how intolerant we are, I know I am talking to people who like to preach racial tolerance and brand people as racist from far, far away. You've never had the pleasure of being neighbours with them or indeed seeing how they choose to live. While certainly the BG government is keeping them illiterate and thus easily bought as voters, they are not helping their own situation. Bulgaria is at a crossroads of the east and west, and we have a lot of minorities here. We have Turks, Armenians, various Arabs, Jews, Russians - you name it! The Turks are hard working and civilized, and they are very hygienic. The Armenians and the Jews are smart and cunning and usually have their own business. The Arabs are very respectful and usually trade to and from their home countries, and they have a keen sense of honour and who has been good to them. The Russians feel practically at home here and if nothing, they're actually treated better because they are Russian.

The gypsies do NOT want to be integrated and they ruin every opportunity of effort to bring them to a normal standard of living. Their subculture promotes the selling of adolescent brides and usually a girl aged 13-14 has her first child after being sold to her future husband. The wives are turned into baby factories because the gypsies mooch off child care. The other day on the news we saw a mother with 18 children (!!!!!!) who's oldest daughter has 10 of her own. So that's 28 gypsies spawned out of two mothers. 200 euro of child care is more than enough for them, and the rest they get by begging and theft.

Brand new appartament blocks were built for them during the communist era. They reduced them to ruins, burning the furniture to keep warm and keeping their horses on the terraces! They live in filth and poverty and even if they are given the option not to, they choose to do so. They do not send their children to school because it is more profitable for them to beg or steal.

Typical ghetto:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Because we don't want Brussels to slap us across the wrist or America to come and bomb us to give us more tolerance and democracy we actually give the gypsies priveliges - the police doesn't molest them and can rarely arrest a suspect in their ghettos. They run their own internal tribal judicial system called "meshere" which is unconstitutional. When they stop paying their electricity and water bills nobody prosecutes them because "they've gots nothing man!". If a Bulgariain stops paying his bills he is cut off from power and then tried and forced to pay.

I can go on and on, but remember this: It's easy to preach an ideal without having met the problem first hand.

[Greyblades]

Huh, I had no idea that the roma were such a pest, over here we just stick them on reality tv to point and laugh at them.

[HoreTore]

Huh, I had no idea that the roma were such a pest, over here we just stick them on reality tv to point and laugh at them.

The balkans have even formed a new version of the blackshirts, who frequently go to the countryside looking for roma to beat up. With the blessing of the authorities, of course.

Wonderful measure of integration.