what's üntermenchen? Just because it's German you don't have to stick a ¨ on every u. Goodwin again btw. Just saying...Originally Posted by HoreTore
Re: French special forces operation foiled by villagers
rvg Albania is a Muslim country, though there are still a number of orthodox citizens there. But the tide has swung so far as that the financing and decisions come from pro-Muslim or downright Muslim sources. I don't particularly mind it and it's not like we don't have another Muslim country in Europe, numbering in 90 million population... But facts are facts. So are the Roma converting to Islam and even changing their self-proclaimed ethnicity when it suits them.
A good number here in Bulgaria define themselves as Turks because there is a certain political party that gives them benefits if they do.
Regarding the lawlessness of the ghettos:
http://vbox7.com/play:ad1e3e1577&r=emb
This is an attempt to remove the illegal structures erected on municipal territory. The resident Roma population is only 300 people. The only guy that got hit went and attacked the cop first, and still nothing major happened. Compare it to the cops beating teenage football fans bloody, or to the fine law enforcement in Spain and Greece who maul their own countrymen like good little robots.
The Roma here do more than build housing without permits and without owning the land. They cut down century old forests to sell the timber, and go in numbers of 200 where the park rangers are two, maximum three people. Last year one park ranger got nearly killed with axes by poaching gypsies who wanted to cut timber in a national park.
When the cops go they are timid little girls because the governemnt tells them to leave the gypsies alone. A national policy of inaction and weak rule is the culprit, but again, pressure from foreign countries run by fops who like to babble about rights and integration certainly plays a role.
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Re: French special forces operation foiled by villagers
Technically yes it is. The thing is that Albania spent many decades under a brutal Stalinist dictatorship that would make Todor Zhivkov look like a western liberal. It was basically a European version of North Korea. One of the sideffects of a regime with this level of brutality is that it is EXTREMELY good at eliminating competition. Religion was that competition, and it was destroyed not only in terms of converting mosques into storehouses, but it was utterly burned out of people's minds. This isn't Bulgaria or Russia where the local Orthodox Church was tolerated. Religion in Albania was utterly crushed, especially among the majority population.
So yes, you can say that Albania is nominally muslim, but the word "muslim" needs a huge asterisk and a footnote next to it.
Last edited by rvg; 11-09-2012 at 14:06.
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Re: French special forces operation foiled by villagers
That would be the case if religion was suppressed. In case of Albania it wasn't suppressed, it was exterminated.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
Re: French special forces operation foiled by villagers
We have indeed seen fire, brimstone and jew-on-a-stake in orthodox ex-sovjets, with worrying fundamentalism on the rise. Ditto for the muslim republics.
Except Albania, of course. Compare Albania to Chechnya, and you get your "Hoxha-effect".
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: French special forces operation foiled by villagers
It is funny how people can't think outside a framework.
Eastern europe, Balkans especially -> we don't understand -> therefore it's not like us -> therefore it's bad.
Get your hillbilly communities to produce movies and get nobel prizes, first instead of them living in trash in the Appalachians. And compared to the gypsies, those hillbillies look like they eat everyday with the Queen of England.
There are integrated gypsies, those who decided to take the opportunity to get schooling and get a job. The problem is what to do with those that don't want to.
Personally, I agree with it. I'd take away most Roma children, any children, from their parents, if they don't provide for them properly. But, now imagine what would happen - Horetore would read in the papers how in Serbia, Roma children are taken away from their parents and would again start shouting barbarism and cruelty. He would probably spin it in such a way in his head that it would appear to him that children are taken from parents just because they're gypsies. There would be an international outrage at the treatment of Roma.
Then again, more than 3/4 of children in orphanages are Roma kids who had simply been abandoned by their parents or taken away.
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