The complete and utter failure of the drug war in a single graph. If the hundreds of billions we throw at this problem annually cannot keep the street price/purity down, then our position is unsupportable.
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The complete and utter failure of the drug war in a single graph. If the hundreds of billions we throw at this problem annually cannot keep the street price/purity down, then our position is unsupportable.
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Free coke/heroin for everyone!
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Would solve more problems than it causes probably.Originally Posted by rvg
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Patently silly. Nothing is free. The only question is who pays and how.
I've agreed with the point made so well above by the Lemur for some time now. Our war on drugs is a King Canute effort.
You want to stop drug use/marijuana use? Teach people why it isn't a good idea and let them choose not to do so. If they choose to do so, there will be a market. Where there is a market, a provider will arise.
Only the most draconian efforts can curtail this kind of market -- summary execution of users caught for example -- and even then it cannot eradicate it. The police measures needed to curtail drug use in the USA would make the Patriot Act provisions look like the soul of rights-protection.
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If the war on drugs was draconian but effective then we would be arguing over liberty versus safety. However it's draconian, ineffective and counterproductive.
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Full legalisation and taking over the production is also draconian, ineffectice and counterproductive as well. Why does there have to be a point in it being legal that always confuses me, there are so many dumb laws that are just ignored, so why not just ignore the law when it suits you. You won't get rid of the criminal networks behind it but at least you can have a nice smoke in your garden
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Full legalisation and taking over the production is also draconian, ineffectice and counterproductive as well.
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If the idea is to save money then drugs legalisation would be extremely effective...
It wouldn't just stop us wasting money but make us quite a bit of money in taxation as well. I wonder how much we make off alcohol and tobacco.
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If I'm reading that graph correctly coke and heroin are nearly the same price at 100,000. I see that the product is scaled. I have some very large scales here. How much product can one get for that amount?
The television rights to this summary execution thing could generate quite a bit of revenue.Only the most draconian efforts can curtail this kind of market -- summary execution of users caught for example -- and even then it cannot eradicate it. The police measures needed to curtail drug use in the USA would make the Patriot Act provisions look like the soul of rights-protection.
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Because the rest of the world isn't populated by you crazy dutchmenThe rest of us prefer to just change the law.
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You are already ignoring laws, by law an officer still needs to carry a sword in trial I believe. Can change it but you can also just ignore it. You can just choose to not prosecute people who smoke some pot. It works great here with our coffeeshops, people can smoke there or at home without having to worry, and people who aren't into it don't even notice it exists. There is some etiquette, it's not ok to light one up if you are sitting on a terrace or other public places, parks are fine. You won't be into any trouble if the police sees you smoking anywhere but it's a bit of an unspoken deal to be discreteBecause the rest of the world isn't populated by you crazy dutchmen
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I don't see any sources for this graph. I like it and want to use it; if you would be so kind.The complete and utter failure of the drug war in a single graph. If the hundreds of billions we throw at this problem annually cannot keep the street price/purity down, then our position is unsupportable.
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Ah, you were deceived by the page break; I posted the source (with a reference to the PDF of the original research) here.
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It looks like the "push" is on from Big Marijuana:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...marijuana.html
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It's the American way alas. I would prefer a not-for-profit co-op style model.
"The republicans will draft your kids, poison the air and water, take away your social security and burn down black churches if elected." Gawain of Orkney
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I just wonder if the model will follow beer/wine or whiskey.
Beer/wine are regulated/controlled but you can make your own as long as it is not for sale; whiskey etc. is "don't you dare!"
So will "freedom break out all over!"or will the state impose its iron-fist
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Not that strange that you are not allowed to brew strong alcoholic drinks, in the east of Europe they make their own wodka a lot, you can make it out of anything, and it causes a lot of deaths because it can be poisenous. Beer and wine will just taste bad if you don't know what you are doing, but it won't kill you
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Don't worry too much. Starbucks will go the co-op route when they add it in. Big Corps are not the only American way.
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