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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    Is it? Our nation is sharply divided on issues that are irreconcilable. There are only two logical ways forward: More Self-Determination, allowing reactionaries to their own way, progressives to their own way, and so forth; or a strong central government to force all of us disparate bastards to stick together. Which do you find more morally acceptable? Which do you find more practical? And now that you've asked yourselves those questions, is it okay to put the practical solution before the morally sound one?

    These are things you should be thinking about. Self-Determination isn't something that just happens once and done, its a principle you have to stick to even if it takes you places you don't want to go.
    No we're not. Idiots with an internet connection might think so but we are nowhere near irreconcilable, to comfortable for that.
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    "A report estimating the percentage of eligible voters who cast ballots in Tuesday's election shows the rate was lower than in the past two presidential contests, though it surpassed the rate from 2000.

    Thursday's report, from the Center for the Study of the American Electorate, put 2012 voter turnout at 57.5% of all eligible voters, compared to 62.3% who voted in 2008 and 60.4% who cast ballots in 2004. In 2000, the turnout rate was 54.2%."

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    "A report estimating the percentage of eligible voters who cast ballots in Tuesday's election shows the rate was lower than in the past two presidential contests, though it surpassed the rate from 2000.

    Thursday's report, from the Center for the Study of the American Electorate, put 2012 voter turnout at 57.5% of all eligible voters, compared to 62.3% who voted in 2008 and 60.4% who cast ballots in 2004. In 2000, the turnout rate was 54.2%."
    All this proves is there were not enough explosions
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube View Post
    If you say so. I've travelled all over these great states, and you will never reconcile the differences between, say, Alabama and Washington. Or Texas and Oregon. Or Lousiana and Maine. We are a large nation with distinct zones of culture and opinion, and as long those differences are in the realm of national policy, we will never break the deadlock. The federal government must become much stronger, or much weaker.
    The idea of a split America has been debukned, at least in terms of regionalism.

    The American war of independence can be broken down to 4 factors

    Radical agitators (Paine, Henry Adams)
    Yankee Businessmen (Hancock)
    Virginia planters (Washington)
    Opportunists (Franklin)

    The radical agitators are always there
    The Yankee buisnessmen were upset becuase of the taxes and the clamp down on illicit trade
    The Virginia planters were upset because The Brits had closed off the land west of the Appalachians, land they had claimed
    And the opportunists played the odds

    Men like Adams and Washington were incridebly vain and it really rubbed them the wrong way that a Brit would always be elevated above them in terms of position.

    It has nothing to do with self determination and everything to do with the normal human reasons every other decision on this planet happens
    There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford

    My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.

    I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.

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