I'm pretty sure that Obama can fix this. The muslims really like him since that one speech fixed everything, so if only he would like go over there and talk to them and stuff, maybe get both sides to do a fist bump, we can fix this situation and put it off for another 12 weeks until it flares up again.

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I feel really apathetic to the whole situation in Israel/Palestine. Maybe because last time this happened I was the only one of my friends who really took an interest in what was happening. My friends and I were in our 2nd year of high school and foreign issues, even of a massive one that involved Israel, wasnt such a big deal for most of my age group since we had bigger things on our minds. So now that my friends are all grown up and seem to care more about certain issues, they are all freaking out over facebook and all this "I stand with Israel" crap that everybody and his/her 2nd cousin is posting and raising a big commotion about, I just cant care less for the situation. I only posted a topic here about it since there wasnt one already. Im just so jaded and tired from the last string of debates we had on this. The original thread when Cast Lead happened had 922 posts in it, and there were probably a dozen more threads after it was locked. I remember that it went on so long that the mods actually banned Israel/Palestine topics for a few months.

And for some reason, it feels great not to care. Ive got bigger things on my mind. Classes, social life in college, stuff like that. But Israel is not one of them.

Point is, pretty much every Jew I know is freaking out about this and I find myself wonderfully apathetic.

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I'm tired of the back and forth, even the Cold War ended, let one side annihilate the other already and lets move on.

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I join you in apathy. If anything, I'm more pissed off with Israel than anything else. I don't know how it's possible to look at this situation and conclude that Israel isn't the aggressor. They struck first and they're hammering the Palestinians 100 times as hard as they're getting in return. If I was living in Gaza, I'd sure as hell be trying to shoot back. When you're the big boy on the block with all the fancy toys, you don't get to play the victim. Israel has no one but themselves to blame if their relations with Egypt got to pot over this.

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1) Theoretically yes, there is a difference between your average Israeli and your average Jewish person, but a lot of these people are going to eventually move to Israel and spread more radical thinking. For example, an acquaintance of mine is an American immigrant to Israel and truly believes that all Palestinians are vermin and should die:

Green is the immigrant in question, yellow is a close friend of mine who is atheist, and red is some other moron. I chose not to partake in this argument. I was talking to a more secular Israeli who actually agrees with us that Israel's treatment of the Palestinians needs to change, and he said that its a big worry of the more liberal Israelis that most of the immigrants coming in are extreme Zionists, which doesnt look good for the future.

2) That wont happen, not as long as most Israelis/Jews hold onto the idea that Israel belongs to the Jews.

Well, rockets have been flying from Gaza for a long time now, even after Cast Lead. Im more surprised that Israel killed the Hamas military head and didnt seem to expect a huge amount of anger. Though they must be getting more accurate with their rockets- they actually hurt people this time around.

Its been said already, but I dont know what the point of this operation is. I would say Cast Lead was more intense than this up until now, and that clearly failed, so whats the point? Why kill and destroy even more if it doesnt do anything?

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